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werdna

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I have a motorised 80cm Triax dish, and able to receive most channels I want. I had a 1m dish years ago and picked up most feeds, but now I only get about 10% of feeds posted on Satelliweb.

I was thinking of upgrading my dish, but getting a dish posted to Northern Ireland isn't the easiest at the minute. I also don't want to go as big as 1m again, so was looking at options and found this dish:
Technisat SATMAN 850 PLUS 85cm Aluminium Satellite Dish Polar White

I was looking at the Triax 1.1m, which is no longer available. This message was posted:
NO LONGER AVAILABLE - BUT DO NOT WORRY A DISH DOESN'T NEED TO BE THIS BIG NOWADAYS - CHECK OUT THE SUPERB TECHNISAT RANGE - THE BEST PERFORMING DISHES WE HAVE SEEN TO DATE & AMAZING RUST-FREE (20 YEAR GUARANTEE) QUALITY - THE 85CM PERFORMS BETTER THAN MANY OTHER BRANDS 1M
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Do you think this is true? Am I likely to see an improvement on a fairly new Triax 80cm dish? It's a lot of money for a dish, but I would pay it if I could get similar performance from a 1m dish at 85cm.

Thanks
 
werdna said:
I have a motorised 80cm Triax dish, and able to receive most channels I want. I had a 1m dish years ago and picked up most feeds, but now I only get about 10% of feeds posted on Satelliweb.

I was thinking of upgrading my dish, but getting a dish posted to Northern Ireland isn't the easiest at the minute. I also don't want to go as big as 1m again, so was looking at options and found this dish:
Technisat SATMAN 850 PLUS 85cm Aluminium Satellite Dish Polar White

I was looking at the Triax 1.1m, which is no longer available. This message was posted:


Do you think this is true? Am I likely to see an improvement on a fairly new Triax 80cm dish? It's a lot of money for a dish, but I would pay it if I could get similar performance from a 1m dish at 85cm.

Thanks
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I upgraded from 80cm Triax to 1m Triax last year for the same reason. Still not able to get 100% feeds but can tune more than 50% feeds on 10e etc.


I think bigger is definitely better if you are looking for feed hunting.
 
You wont mate an 85cm dish just simply wont perform like a 1 meter dish. Only exception would be the Gregorian type dual reflector dishes. The 90cm gregorian dish would perform to a similar level if not greater then a normal 1 meter dish. Sadly no longer made.
 
No, that price is 0TT to get a good answer you need to say, what receiver are you uisng, whats the lnb, whats the cable, whats the motor, did you install it yourself, have you a clear view of the sky, what sat do you want, is it all feeds.

I have had an 85cm built by Nokia, a 1m gilbertini, still have as a spare, a gilbertini 1.25m that I sold as it came warped, and I prefer my triax 110cm, I get 42e to 30w but not interested in feeds. If I was you I would get the triax 88cm with sats size does matter. My 1m beats the 85cm, my 110cm beats the 1m and the 1.25 beats the lot but I used the same box, cable, motor and lnb but I have tried quite a few lnb's and the best is the black ultra. The only snag with the triax 110 is its heavy and tough to align.
 
My receiver is an AX HD61. I installed it myself, but am pretty confident it's as aligned as possible. I spent a lot of time with a sat tester. I have a clear view of sky, and I'd like a good amount of feeds, but normal tv too.

I have a Technomate TM-2 LNB, but think this is the first thing I'll try and upgrade. I'm between the Golden Media 202+ and Inverto Black Ultra. I need dual lnb, does the black ultra still perform well as a dual lnb?
 
Ferret. said:
You wont mate an 85cm dish just simply wont perform like a 1 meter dish. Only exception would be the Gregorian type dual reflector dishes. The 90cm gregorian dish would perform to a similar level if not greater then a normal 1 meter dish. Sadly no longer made.
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How do you think a mesh dish would compare? Something like this:
Amiko 97cm Mesh Pole Mount Dish With Free Fixing Bolts Bolts | eBay

Or this:
Satellite Dish 105cm Mesh | eBay

Edit, also, how important is a dishes advertised gain? This dish is a 1m with less gain that the 85cm technisat I posted originally. All marketing?
Dragonsat 1m / 100cm Hi-Gain Solid Satellite Dish Pole Mount With Fittings
 
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werdna said:
How do you think a mesh dish would compare? Something like this:
Amiko 97cm Mesh Pole Mount Dish With Free Fixing Bolts Bolts | eBay

Or this:
Satellite Dish 105cm Mesh | eBay

Edit, also, how important is a dishes advertised gain? This dish is a 1m with less gain that the 85cm technisat I posted originally. All marketing?
Dragonsat 1m / 100cm Hi-Gain Solid Satellite Dish Pole Mount With Fittings
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PlutoDirect has had some recent bad reviews.
There's a 1.1m Mix dish HERE, but they are waiting delivery.
Use a 1m dish or bigger for feeds, I'd recommend a solid dish only.
I've got both Twin Golden Media 202+ & Twin Inverto Black Ultra lnbs, I've found that the Golden media 202+ is slightly better for weak signals.


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I have the axhd61 but I use a VU+ DUO2 for motor I'll do a comparison llater today re signal strength. That gm202+ is getting great reports so thats an upgrade. I use a dark supreme motor with usals. satworld ie do a nice 1m dish but i dont trust post so may be too far away.
 
bmitie said:
I have the axhd61 but I use a VU+ DUO2 for motor I'll do a comparison llater today re signal strength. That gm202+ is getting great reports so thats an upgrade. I use a dark supreme motor with usals. satworld ie do a nice 1m dish but i dont trust post so may be too far away.
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This would be great to know actually. I'm aware the engima2 boxes are not exactly designed for feed hunting. I already have a Viark box alongside the AX HD61 and don't want to get another, but interested if the box really makes that much difference.
 
werdna said:
This would be great to know actually. I'm aware the engima2 boxes are not exactly designed for feed hunting. I already have a Viark box alongside the AX HD61 and don't want to get another, but interested if the box really makes that much difference.
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Stick with what you have the Viarks blind scan is not all that back and auto biss works most of the time. You AX HD61 is e2 so i dont see point of another e2 box in your case.
 
Is the Viarks the same as a Starsat 2000hd extreme? One of my starsat's went belly up and thinking of getting a Viark to have a play but do I need to load software myself?
 
bmitie said:
Is the Viarks the same as a Starsat 2000hd extreme? One of my starsat's went belly up and thinking of getting a Viark to have a play but do I need to load software myself?
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There aimed at the same servers but software is a little different and the older versions can not use the FS pro servers the Viarks do.

With the Viarks you can do online updates but i always prefer to do the updates via usb there less risk imo.
 
I tested the axhd61 against the duo2 and the tuner in the AXHD61 is not as sensitive. On 9east where dish was I tried 4e hellas and duo2 is 100% signal and 96% agc. the ax is 72% and 37%. Then 13east and same result. The starsat was 92% signal. These differences make no odds for normal channels but could have an impact on feeds.
 
bmitie said:
I tested the axhd61 against the duo2 and the tuner in the AXHD61 is not as sensitive. On 9east where dish was I tried 4e hellas and duo2 is 100% signal and 96% agc. the ax is 72% and 37%. Then 13east and same result. The starsat was 92% signal. These differences make no odds for normal channels but could have an impact on feeds.
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Wow, big difference there. Thanks for testing
 
bmitie said:
I tested the axhd61 against the duo2 and the tuner in the AXHD61 is not as sensitive. On 9east where dish was I tried 4e hellas and duo2 is 100% signal and 96% agc. the ax is 72% and 37%. Then 13east and same result. The starsat was 92% signal. These differences make no odds for normal channels but could have an impact on feeds.
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With regards to tuner sensitivity, you’re better off finding a weak channel/feed and to see which box breaks up first, or if one box can get a picture but the other can’t etc.

The % values aren’t really that comparable between boxes. My Viark is higher on some channels than my Octagon and lower on some too lol.
 
werdna said:
I have a motorised 80cm Triax dish, and able to receive most channels I want. I had a 1m dish years ago and picked up most feeds, but now I only get about 10% of feeds posted on Satelliweb.

I was thinking of upgrading my dish, but getting a dish posted to Northern Ireland isn't the easiest at the minute. I also don't want to go as big as 1m again, so was looking at options and found this dish:
Technisat SATMAN 850 PLUS 85cm Aluminium Satellite Dish Polar White

I was looking at the Triax 1.1m, which is no longer available. This message was posted:


Do you think this is true? Am I likely to see an improvement on a fairly new Triax 80cm dish? It's a lot of money for a dish, but I would pay it if I could get similar performance from a 1m dish at 85cm.

Thanks
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dish size most definitely matters, as does quality cable, quality lnb & alignment, as do the correct settings in your box & the quality of the box's tuner. so, quite a few variables to consider & even if just 1 of these are off, it can have a drastic effect......if parameters are outside optimum across the board, then, the cumulative effects can leave many satellite positions out of focus.
 
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