Thanks for that hi teck will go for the combo he said its new so i am happy with that as for trusting supplier i dont know him from adam so its just pot luck is there anything i should look out for on the box serial number from clones ect?, If all is well i will be on here later for firmwear.
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have you heard anymore in regards to cable firmwear on the box as would be nice as a back up!
Also just saw this item 140596183437 shows the two tuners up close, i can see the LNB input looks like the traditonal screw in type for the sat dish, then were it says tuner 2 input, looks the type for regular areial for freeview, question would be how would you connect a vermin feed if you desired?