Using blackhole image, tried to do it manually but lost the epg on the initial screen, only in favourites could I see any channels, in the blackhole image the channel order isn't the same as sly when you use the autobouquet, which is what I was trying to achieve. I still have to try the one from the page on this forum I tried to link to, when I get 5 mins, I will load it and report my findings, failing that, I will try the vix image, especially as it has xbmc now :-) Thanks for the reply though.