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dt99 said:
How are you going to do a league table, as server names cant be mentioned on the forums?
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For me, the biggest problem is getting a system together to collect the information from members about their providers and rating them to form a league table.

Regarding giving feedback, if the league table on different providers was collated into an Excel spreadsheet it could then be made available to members on request via PM. (unless we are told otherwise by the moderators)

I'm not saying that this is a perfect method, its just a starting point. The real question is is there enough interest amongst the membership to do something.

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Rexthewolf said:
For me, the biggest problem is getting a system together to collect the information from members about their providers and rating them to form a league table.

Regarding giving feedback, if the league table on different providers was collated into an Excel spreadsheet it could then be made available to members on request via PM. (unless we are told otherwise by the moderators)

I'm not saying that this is a perfect method, its just a starting point. The real question is is there enough interest amongst the membership to do something.

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I'm happy to contribute.
 
tried all this with sat servers a while ago. i tried to get people to pm details of good and bad servers no one responded.
 
mike123 said:
tried all this with sat servers a while ago. i tried to get people to pm details of good and bad servers no one responded.
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That's what I fear Mike. It would take 500+ responses to get any meaningful results and I don't even have the skills to know the questions to ask. Those with good servers and no problems are less likely to respond or even to be trawling this forum.

Thanks for your reply

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Davy-m-R said:
It would help getting a moderators advice about what can be set up here without going against forum rules.
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I mentioned this in an earlier post. Thought that moderators scanned posts and would intervene if there was something that they didn't like /was against the rules?? Is this not the case?

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I have installed a vpn on my zgemma box,as advised by my supplier.
Worked perfectly since last thursday,but i suppose the acid test will be this weekend when prem footy returns.
Will return and post results after.
 
I think the problem in finding a good supplier,not a re-seller who buys from a re-seller who buys from another re-seller if you see what I mean.I have found that main suppliers do not want their name given out
freely,and will only deal with you if you were recommended by someone they trust.Also main sellers will very rarely answer any questions until you have dealt with them for a long time and gained their trust.
In theory it would be great to have a league table but in reality it would never work as the top seller would be snowed under with customers which in the end would affect their service.They need to keep things secure
or it will end up going the same way as satellite .The biggest problem is people on sites like Flea Bay that sell satt,iptv,kodi etc openly and have forced all the good providers underground.
 
formandvoid said:
I think the problem in finding a good supplier,not a re-seller who buys from a re-seller who buys from another re-seller if you see what I mean.I have found that main suppliers do not want their name given out
freely,and will only deal with you if you were recommended by someone they trust.Also main sellers will very rarely answer any questions until you have dealt with them for a long time and gained their trust.
In theory it would be great to have a league table but in reality it would never work as the top seller would be snowed under with customers which in the end would affect their service.They need to keep things secure
or it will end up going the same way as satellite .The biggest problem is people on sites like Flea Bay that sell satt,iptv,kodi etc openly and have forced all the good providers underground.
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Completely agree its things like that that have a major affect on all of us and makes decent things harder to come across
 
formandvoid said:
I think the problem in finding a good supplier,not a re-seller who buys from a re-seller who buys from another re-seller if you see what I mean.I have found that main suppliers do not want their name given out
freely,and will only deal with you if you were recommended by someone they trust.Also main sellers will very rarely answer any questions until you have dealt with them for a long time and gained their trust.
In theory it would be great to have a league table but in reality it would never work as the top seller would be snowed under with customers which in the end would affect their service.They need to keep things secure
or it will end up going the same way as satellite .The biggest problem is people on sites like Flea Bay that sell satt,iptv,kodi etc openly and have forced all the good providers underground.
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Unfortunately I have to agree with your assessment. Not sure why the good suppliers allow other to resell their services in the first instance, or how they increase their own business if they as protective as you suggest.

Anyway I now think that the league table is a non-starter mainly due to the lack of numbers and the work and expertise needed to make it a success.

Thanks to all for taking part in this conversation [emoji848]

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I take the view that a league table could be counter productive. I say this with sadness as in an ideal world it would be great, however isnt it naive to think we can isolate ourselves in this forum in the belief all the members are bona fide IPTV / CS users. No of course not it will have been infiltrated by quislings close to sly and vermin. They probably have most of the cards in the deck already without us scoring a home goal by giving away the identities of the 'Top of the League.'

Secondly from a selfish stand point the majority of providers have started out giving good service. A small minority will keep their customers at a managable number whereby they can still provide a good service without over tasking their server(s). There are many who out of financial greed will take on too many people resulting in a poor service . So if you are currently with a good provider it may be anti social but it is not in your interests to potentially dilute your service by increasing the customer base. If you are brand new to iptv or currently have a poor service just keep getting tests and dont settle for 2nd best. It may take some time but good ones do exist and as iptv becomes more popular there will be more and they will improve.

To summarise a good service can soon become a bad service by being too popular and the top of the league would certainly be under pressure if they dont have the resources. Lets not give the other side too much information. When you find a good provider yourself its a good feeling.
 
Rexthewolf said:
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Is there a VPN beginners "start here" guide somewhere on the forum? I'm quite happy to do the reading ..............
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In my simple experience, part of the problem with VPN's is that there are so many ways of 'skinning the VPN cat' that it very quickly get's confusing. Here is one simple potential answer.
It's a copy of an article I posted on another forum. Myself and my family use this in my day to day life, and can confirm that it works very well indeed, and it is very low maintenance, and easy to administer, and it works, very well.

Roll-Your-Own VPN Server
An Alternative To A Commercial Offering Using OpenVPN

Many people find the thought of running their own VPN server worrisome and difficult, but this has to be the simplest, easiest solution that I have come across for anyone who wants a quick and easy answer that is very low maintenance. This is particularly useful if you already have a cloud server running somewhere, and you want to maximise it's use and get some additional value for money and functionality from it. The system requirements for this are very small indeed, but be aware that if you intend to use this for streaming, bandwidth restrictions or traffic quotas maybe something you need to consider. That said, many modern VPS providers are pretty generous with their allowances these days, and one might easily expect the most basic restriction being of the order of 1Tb/month without any additional cost implications.

Pre-requisites:-
Root ssh access to a VPS or other 'cloud' machine running either Debian, Ubuntu or CentOS with about 512Mb Ram available

Procedure:-

ssh into your server and run the following command with root priviliges (you know, use Zoc or Putty, connect to your VPS, just like you would on your ZGemma).

Code: 
wget https://git.io/vpn -O openvpn-install.sh && bash openvpn-install.sh
Sit back and watch whilst it runs. The automated assistant will ask a few questions here and there and give you all the guidance you need.

Once it ends, you can run it again as many times as you like to add more users/clients, or remove some of them or even completely uninstall OpenVPN.

This particular offering simply writes a .ovpn config' file for each user that contains within it all the necessary certificates and authentication when you go to your client machine.

So, the next step will be to use this on your client machine. This could be your PC/Laptop, Mac, Tablet, or Router or whatever. You just need to copy your client's unique .ovpn file into the client machine, point your OpenVPN client at it, and all the set-up and configuration is done for you.
 
xero50 said:
In my simple experience, part of the problem with VPN's is that there are so many ways of 'skinning the VPN cat' that it very quickly get's confusing. Here is one simple potential answer.
It's a copy of an article I posted on another forum. Myself and my family use this in my day to day life, and can confirm that it works very well indeed, and it is very low maintenance, and easy to administer, and it works, very well.

Roll-Your-Own VPN Server
An Alternative To A Commercial Offering Using OpenVPN

Many people find the thought of running their own VPN server worrisome and difficult, but this has to be the simplest, easiest solution that I have come across for anyone who wants a quick and easy answer that is very low maintenance. This is particularly useful if you already have a cloud server running somewhere, and you want to maximise it's use and get some additional value for money and functionality from it. The system requirements for this are very small indeed, but be aware that if you intend to use this for streaming, bandwidth restrictions or traffic quotas maybe something you need to consider. That said, many modern VPS providers are pretty generous with their allowances these days, and one might easily expect the most basic restriction being of the order of 1Tb/month without any additional cost implications.

Pre-requisites:-
Root ssh access to a VPS or other 'cloud' machine running either Debian, Ubuntu or CentOS with about 512Mb Ram available

Procedure:-

ssh into your server and run the following command with root priviliges (you know, use Zoc or Putty, connect to your VPS, just like you would on your ZGemma).

Code: 
wget https://git.io/vpn -O openvpn-install.sh && bash openvpn-install.sh
Sit back and watch whilst it runs. The automated assistant will ask a few questions here and there and give you all the guidance you need.

Once it ends, you can run it again as many times as you like to add more users/clients, or remove some of them or even completely uninstall OpenVPN.

This particular offering simply writes a .ovpn config' file for each user that contains within it all the necessary certificates and authentication when you go to your client machine.

So, the next step will be to use this on your client machine. This could be your PC/Laptop, Mac, Tablet, or Router or whatever. You just need to copy your client's unique .ovpn file into the client machine, point your OpenVPN client at it, and all the set-up and configuration is done for you.
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On holiday will check it out when I get home

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