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loncell

loncell

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So firstly I would like to point out that I'm all for vaccination but I'm questioning the governments move to start more restrictions over Christmas.

The whole point of the 2 previous lockdowns was because of an unavailable vaccine so people over a certain age and the vulnerable those with underlying health issues didn't end up in hospital.

1000's ended up in hospital those 2 lockdowns but now a huge chunk of the country have been vaccinated and the vast majority of our youth have no ill affects .... why if we're NOT going to clog up the NHS system. I have not heard 1 MP or health expert say beds are filling people are dying not this time round just lots more have Covid.

Last count was 10 on ICU for a population of 70million + and the Gov quoted 250 a blatant lie to scare monger.

A top doctor was on the news from Edinburgh and she said "From my first hand experience looking at the numbers in hospital they are mainly made up of either people not been vaccinated (idiots) or just 1 jab".

So if we are not going to clog up the NHS this time round then why more restrictions?. Teresa May made sense when she said we cannot keep locking the country down, we have to try and live with it.

I just do not see the point on huge restrictions if the NHS will not suffer because at the end of the day, that's why we were locked down in the first place banging our pans in the street.
 
The doctor you mentioned hit the nail on the head, those in hospital are unvaccinated refuseniks, unfortunately there's ten million of them and these are who we are protecting because there's easily enough if them to bring the NHS to a standstill
 
As a person who is double jabbed and booster jabbed, I'm not up for this new lockdown if it comes. I've done what needed to be done and locked down previously but this time it's different. Before it was to save the NHS but now I see no way out of this. If we lockdown and we save the NHS then as soon as we open up again it's all going to happen again. Where does it end? I want to wait and see if omicron actually causes the numbers they are claiming before any further lockdowns come in. I've also like a number of people never had a day off work during covid.
 
Jamie Lee spice said:
That's not true only 36% are.
The rest are fully vaccinated.
Lorraine Kelly and her guests were wrong about Covid-19 patients - Full Fact
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If that's some company drawing up figures from the NHS in the sky I refuse to listen.

I've said this before, I prefer to listen doctors and nurses and those who work Covid wards.
Up the road from me is a huge hospital so alot of people I know work there and I don't mean cooks and cleaners.
The majority in hospital are NOT people who are fully jabbed, hardly any are. The vast majority are non vaxxers or jabbed once.

My point is, we were locked down in the first instance and second due to the vaccine not been available. Now it is far far less are been hospitalised. Has anyone heard anyone say the NHS is overwhelmed?, lots dieing ?, no we just here the virus is spreading fast. If it isn't raising bed numbers or deaths then there no reason.
 
pabloescaban said:
There's over sixty million people, by your reckoning that means over twenty million are unvaccinated?
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I'm saying the vaccine doesn't work.

loncell said:
If that's some company drawing up figures from the NHS in the sky I refuse to listen.

I've said this before, I prefer to listen doctors and nurses and those who work Covid wards.
Up the road from me is a huge hospital so alot of people I know work there and I don't mean cooks and cleaners.
The majority in hospital are NOT people who are fully jabbed, hardly any are. The vast majority are non vaxxers or jabbed once.

My point is, we were locked down in the first instance and second due to the vaccine not been available. Now it is far far less are been hospitalised. Has anyone heard anyone say the NHS is overwhelmed?, lots dieing ?, no we just here the virus is spreading fast. If it isn't raising bed numbers or deaths then there no reason.
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Lots of my partners family are domestics in NHS they still work with covid patients with little or crap ppe.
Everyone goes on about nurses and doctors what about the people keeping covid patients and other patients fed and in clean environment?
At our local hospital all donations go to doctors and nurses.
Domestics... catering...porters etc get nothing.
 
loncell said:
Has anyone heard anyone say the NHS is overwhelmed?, lots dieing ?, no we just here the virus is spreading fast. If it isn't raising bed numbers or deaths then there no reason.
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With the rate at which omicron is spreading, and the inconsistency/unreliability of the data on omicron from other countries, I think it's the case that the UK govt can't take any chances with it as it'd soon overwhelm the NHS if it turned out to be a more serious strain than it appears.
 
I agree and disagree, first reports from other countries claim omicron is less potent than other variants its just more contagious.
With so many contracting omicron even with no lockdown I just don't see the NHS under stress nor do I see the death rates rising in the fully vaccinated.

The vast majority who are seriously ill right now with omicron are not fully vaxxed or anti vaxers there's no argument to be had with that
 
Maybe influenza made a come back seems to have disappeared since covid altogether.
Influenza kills thousands of people every year too.
According to the office of national statistics of course.
 
I dont know now seems government is adamant no lockdown will happen even if this new strain isnt deadly but is getting out of control day by day and week by week.

Even restrictions will be limited imo.

They dont want to give more furlough or any other sort of schemes to the public or businesses under any circumstance.
 
This time last year: 19,000 in hospital, 2,000 new admissions a day. Now: 7,600 in hospital, 900 new admissions a day. Omicron is not overwhelming the NHS so far... The vaccine works in respect of preventing deaths. I don't think it does much towards stopping transmission so vaccine passports are a waste of time.

Covid patients currently occupy 5% of NHS hospital beds. Roughly the same percentage since August 2021. Omicron according to South Africa is mild. There's been one death in the UK that person died WITH Omicron not necessarily from it and were also 90 years old.

If 5% is enough for us to be locked down then it's not about Covid it's about control and coercion.

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HiTecK said:
This time last year: 19,000 in hospital, 2,000 new admissions a day. Now: 7,600 in hospital, 900 new admissions a day. Omicron is not overwhelming the NHS so far... The vaccine works in respect of preventing deaths. I don't think it does much towards stopping transmission so vaccine passports are a waste of time.

Covid patients currently occupy 5% of NHS hospital beds. Roughly the same percentage since August 2021. Omicron according to South Africa is mild. There's been one death in the UK that person died WITH Omicron not necessarily from it and were also 90 years old.

If 5% is enough for us to be locked down then it's not about Covid it's about control and coercion.

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The media are also in on it.

Everything is covid this and covid that.

Forget those who suffer from other illnesses let's put covid at the front and centre of people's minds so we can continue with fear and scare mongering tactics.

Media is the governments tool after all.
 
900 a day ? , who's figures are those ? Those who want them to be high to scare monger or official front line figures created by doctors and nurses ?.

Funny really last week there was 10 in hospital.

If those figures of 900 are true then let's do this when complying the numbers:

Let's release figures showing how many of those in hospital with Covid have
1 jab
2 jabs
3 jabs
0 jabs

I reckon Ladbrokes would stop taking bets on zero jabs beats the other 3 combined hands down.

A friend of a friend buried his anti vaxer m8 3 a few weeks ago aged 57.
He told me his younger brother was recently taken into hospital with breathing difficulties another anti vaxer,

He said:
"He'll be next"

There's a time we have to face up to it, it ain't going away so we either shut shop every outbreak or we concentrate on a medical solution and carry on and prey its not your turn.
You don't hear much about hands anymore. F##k me at the beginning we were told to scrub the for 2 minutes !! now ?
 
loncell said:
If that's some company drawing up figures from the NHS in the sky I refuse to listen.
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No that's a fact checking site. They use figures from public health England and publish them.

loncell said:
The majority in hospital are NOT people who are fully jabbed, hardly any are. The vast majority are non vaxxers or jabbed once.
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It's true. There's more in hospital that are vaccinated than unvactinated. But there are a higher % of people vaccinated than unvaccinated so that's bound to happen.

loncell said:
900 a day ? , who's figures are those ? Those who want them to be high to scare monger or official front line figures created by doctors and nurses ?.
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They're from ONS (office for national statistics).. No one said 900 a day Covid patients. 900 a day in admissions isn't a lot.
 
I'll end my thoughts on this note:
If the hospitals start getting full let's make it clear if they are fully vaccinated, under vaccinated or anti vaxers.

What's the f##kin point of me getting jabbed up if those who are not arsed create the problem ??.

Me?
Make anti vaxers pay for any Covid ICU treatment
 
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