loncell
TK Veteran
Well that head doctor on TV who walks the wards not a clipboard doctoring head count is lying and the Gov and news companies are right, ffs
(Shakes his head as Trump might have been right)
Omicron
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(Shakes his head as Trump might have been right)
Doctor's treat people. They don't keep statistics of people in hospitals. That's the Government's job.
If he's talking about medical issues you listen. You don't go to the doctor's to get stats/ numbers occupying wards.
If you want actual truths instead of what the media spews. Follow this guy if you have a Twitter account.
https://twitter.com/statsjamie?t=9ONs0SAqW5xJEWWRN4UWtQ&s=09
I really struggle to believe that this is about coercion and control because a) we're being governed by people who don't know their arse from their elbow never mind how to execute such a masterplan b) virtually every government in the world would have to be in on it - so Russia, Trump's USA, China, North Korea... none of them have called b*llshit on the whole thing?
loncell
TK Veteran
If I wanted to know what the situation was on the field of battle in a trench warfare situation I'd ask the guy going over the top rather than the general with pole slider and monopoly peices 2 miles back who reports back to Gov what they want to hear:
"All's well here, tally ho"
"All's well here, tally ho"
teddybloat
TK Veteran
hospitalisations lag behind cases so we will know soon enough
data from SA indicates that vaccinations offer good protection from serious illness, much better than natural immunity on its own.
also the SA wave dropped off very quickly, with signs that this may replicate here.
if christmas day was a week later we would likely be in a great place, however its right in the black spot of what we know
most experts i've been following are noncommittally optimistic, thinking the data look good if we can simply protect vulnerable people. unfortunately, christmas is the period where all the generations mix,
the NHS is overwhelmed every year, btw, covid or not. so it's not the best metric to use to decide on lockdowns.
data from SA indicates that vaccinations offer good protection from serious illness, much better than natural immunity on its own.
also the SA wave dropped off very quickly, with signs that this may replicate here.
if christmas day was a week later we would likely be in a great place, however its right in the black spot of what we know
most experts i've been following are noncommittally optimistic, thinking the data look good if we can simply protect vulnerable people. unfortunately, christmas is the period where all the generations mix,
the NHS is overwhelmed every year, btw, covid or not. so it's not the best metric to use to decide on lockdowns.
I didn't mean Covid is bs "the whole thing". I mean making a massive deal about hospitals being overrun when they aren't and the narrative the media are pushing by constantly peddling false news in an attempt to scare everyone to the point it's creating so much division between the unvactinated/vaccinated. It's them and us and it's all their fault etc. That's what I call coercion.
As for control.
Threatening to lockdown the country whilst hospital beds are taken by 5% of Covid patients whilst Africa (where Omicron originated) is seeing very few deaths and a declining transmission rate of late. See the yellow banner and look back at how deaths follow transmission in the graph. Now look at the gap between the two now after vaccines and variant mutations. These stats in a place where it originated doesn't warrant the panic they're creating.
Also this constant talk of vaccine passports to get into venues when it makes hardly any difference to stop the spread as trialled in many other countries.
for e.g Wales has had passports to get into venues since early September...
What is a Covid pass and how do I get one? - BBC News
Wales is now closing nightclubs on the 27th of December. They'll be likely more closures of pubs cinemas going forward.
All these places required a passport to get in and yet he's closing them 2 months on so that worked well 🤦.
I personally recon Omicron will turn out to be far weaker and result in fewer deaths and because of the rate of transmission we will gain natural immunity to it. The South African doctor who discovered it said it's much milder compared to Delta and suggests the UK is panicking.
If I had a choice of who to take notice in that situation it would be the ones viewing from above that's collected all the information from the masses (ONS PHE), not one hospital ward (Doctor).
Doctors treat, they don't keep count.
Yes but why? What's supposed to be the "end game" for all this control and coercion? What does a government, or all the governments for that matter, gain from having people vaccinated, blocking them from socialing etc?
rs500nutter
TK Veteran
I like to keep an open mind. I can't do with conspiracy theories and I certainly don't pretend to know the "end game".
But a lot of what they're doing doesn't make sense to me. I've been watching what's going on in Austria/Australia/NSW and it's not pretty what they're doing to the unvactinated. I'm fully vaccinated as I've said before so not anti-vax. I'm not having a booster.
Too much has been put on hold since Covid. Cancer/Heart/Mental health etc
A lot of A&Es are overrun with people who could have been sorted with their local GPs than actual emergency cases.
Misdiagnosed patients because it was done on a phonecall rather than face to face appointment. Suicide/Mental Health is through the roof since Covid. Yet we don't get a daily update of deaths for these people like we get with Covid deaths. They're obsessed with it and feeding off people's fear. If everyone keeps watching and taking note, they'll keep supplying it.
Turn it off and enjoy Xmas.
loncell
TK Veteran
Based on the the so called Gov figures I see a massive swoop in positive cases but I dont see a sudden rise in deaths to follow and nor so I see a rise in numbers people in hospital infacr its down by a 133 so my point is, if vaccination is working and we won't be needing to bang pans at 7pm then why the F are even considering harsh early closing lockdown measures and only so many here there and everywere ?.
As I pointed out, those that are not fully vaccinated and anti vaxers are the ones at high risk. The one doctor ?, she was keeping numbers in Edinburgh so I'll take her word as she's not a puppet for any ministerial department
I quite agree, but I think it's more to do with governments just blindly ploughing on along the route they previously decided to take rather than some great devious masterplan.
With a bit of luck this variant will be as weak a strain as some claim and be the spur for a big move back towards normality. I'm pleased they held off today from introducing new measures in the UK while they let the situation play out a bit more.
channelking
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Yes mate all of people that suffer from different illnesses have basically been told to fekk off as covid even now when its not even at its peak as it was a year or so ago is at the front and centre.
I wish Mental Health was looked upon as a serious illness and not frowned upon still or even made of as a joke. Mental health is a horrible disease that eats at you and bascially consumes you every single bloody day. Those who suffer from it can only understand how tough it is just to keep living day by day. I can imagine how bad it is for those who suffering during the pandemic and no support is there for them as Covid is taking precedence over all illnesses.
Media are pure evil, they relish and pounce on bad news and on peoples fears just for their damn ratings and money driving machine. Quite sickening actually. Social media crap and this BS news they like to call it I dont even read it or watch it. Bunch of crap and nonsense in my eyes.
I'm agreeing with you. I don't know if you're reading my posts but I agree with you that there is no reason to lock us down.
You'll need a 3rd jab though soon to be classed as "fully vaccinated" here in the UK and you'll have to comply and have your "papers" (passport) ready to be able to socialise, go on holiday, go in the pub etc. 4th booster etc... On and on..
Yea that's a good idea m8 to take notice of Doctor in Edinburgh keeping numbers for Edinburgh to tally with the total for the UK. You should definitely keep relying on that. 👍
pabloescaban
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We're all on different pages here.
No lockdowns yet.
But we're still on 80-90K cases per day, if/when we get to 800-900k cases a day, it might be a different scenario.
Also, when those 80-90K cases a day are a week into Omicron, they may deteriorate.
No one knows for certain because they've only just got it
No lockdowns yet.
But we're still on 80-90K cases per day, if/when we get to 800-900k cases a day, it might be a different scenario.
Also, when those 80-90K cases a day are a week into Omicron, they may deteriorate.
No one knows for certain because they've only just got it
loncell
TK Veteran
So she's a liar ?, she wasn't a regular GP she was higher ranking doctor. It gives you a general idea not the full picture.
Listen beg to differ, if you wanna base your figures on department's with a hidden agenda for Boris fill your boots.
Like I said m8, as those in the trenches not Downing St..ffs
You only have to listen to that bellend who came on tele and said 250 when infact it was actually 10, on such an important issue you'd get that one fact right, say no more
If early reports are true coming out of other countries omicron if less potent that's why hospital cases in the UK aren't shooting up and bed admissions and deaths going down which proves the vaccine is working.
If he wants to lock us down then fine but this time it won't be happening in the loncell household.If the hospitals and crematoriums aren't overrun the tell us the real reason.
He won't stop me he can go and get f##ked this time round
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So who do we take notice of for statistics if we follow you? One Doctor in an Edinburgh Hospital or the same people we have followed to provide statistics throughout the pandemic..?
ONS and PHE.
like I said, you keep relying on her stats. That's your prerogative 👍.
Edit. You keep editing your post after I replied so I obviously can't reply to every point. My quote above shows how your post has changed.
I can't answer points made after editing.
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teddybloat
TK Veteran
Deaths we know have normally lagged 3 weeks behind cases, so too early to say if this is a mild variant.
Boosters offer a lot of protection against serious illness and death, but people are much more likely to catch this variant, so it's unclear as to how this will play out.
But we will know very quickly as the generation time of Omicron is very fast
Boosters offer a lot of protection against serious illness and death, but people are much more likely to catch this variant, so it's unclear as to how this will play out.
But we will know very quickly as the generation time of Omicron is very fast
After we all in agreement that previous outbreaks result in tables where infection follows deaths.
For e.g.
See how the yellow follows the white ,☝️
This is it today. White being infections and deaths as yellow. Is it me or does anyone else see a dramatic change here. Even the die hard lockdown fans can extrapolate this..
Omicron is weak imo if this is the result. It shows a higher transmissibility with much fewer deaths. This could be a blessing. More people catch it with fewer deaths which hopefully will result in more people developing natural immunity.
For e.g.
See how the yellow follows the white ,☝️
This is it today. White being infections and deaths as yellow. Is it me or does anyone else see a dramatic change here. Even the die hard lockdown fans can extrapolate this..
Omicron is weak imo if this is the result. It shows a higher transmissibility with much fewer deaths. This could be a blessing. More people catch it with fewer deaths which hopefully will result in more people developing natural immunity.
pabloescaban
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As I said earlier, it's a bit early yet to make any solid decisions, the govt are getting it in the neck from opposition and also science guys about bringing in restrictions ASAP but they haven't.
If in another week that line stays as it is, there won't be any restrictions.
When you are dealing with millions of people's lives it's not something you can just rush into