New LNB required

[bmitie]

Ignore that bit about NICAM/OSCAM I got you mixed up. You only have one dish. A Viark is best with a motorised dish. If you stay on 28e with an E2 box you only get all the FTA channels. IPTV is best with a dedicated box but it will still work well with the UNO.

When you change the LNB to a quad you will have 4 outputs but as you have only 2 cables then you can connect 2 boxes, the Viark is a single tuner and with an E2 box with 2 tuners you can disable one and use it as a single. The idea of the 2 tuners is for recording one and watch another.

 

[manic01]

Theres no 28.2e pay channels available on viark stb atm except fta so bear that in mind.

 

[kippysat]

Tried loads of LNB's on my Gibertini OP125 including C120's with the Gibertini Feedhorn and still nothing comes close to the Iverto Black Ultra. It's been the best LNB for at least a decade now. When there were a few months a couple of years ago, where the EPL had feeds on 3W, it was the only LNB that would pick them up.

Be careful about which Inverto Black Ultra you go for. The old style long neck Invertos are still the most sensitive and best IMO. However, there
is a new batch of Inverto Black Ultras that are nowhere near as good and far less sensitive.

I have found out to my cost and extreme disappointment how poor the current new style Invertos compare to the old style.

Watch Out! If I get a chance I will upload some pics of both types of Inverto so you can see what I am referring to.

 

[Abu Baniaz]

With regards to SSD/HDD:

These are satellite receivers. They are writing files sequentially for recording and then playback. When you access them for playback, you are not looking for files all over the place, it is one continuous file. There is no need to for breakneck access/read times. Apart from any noise if the receiver is in the bedroom or if you are saving picons to it, there really is no benefit in an SSD. A mechanical 5400rpm drive is perfectly fine.

 

[gadgetuk]

Thanks to everyone who posted advice on the LNB much appreciated

Finally decided aftrer reading some old posts on this site and others that i'm going to give the Octagon sf8008 a go

i decided against the viark due to the current problems and VU+ UNO SE mostly because i've read the learning curve for that box is high and i'm a relative newbie to satelilite boxes always been a sky sat box user from the original to sky hd to sky q

Would people say that the Octagon 8008 is a good starter satellite box ? I'm going to be getting this version from wos which has freesat pre installed and open vix
OCTAGON SF8008 V3 SUPREME TWIN 4K UHD 2x DVB-S2X - PRE-SETUP FOR FREESAT UK

It offers two versions 1 or 2 tuner setup which version would people suggest ? i have two cables runing into my sky q box

as i'll be getting a second sat box a viark that may change though or an uno se at some point probably later next year should i go for the 1 tuner setup which means i can record one program ? which will be enough.

I've also got the option of getting a pre formatted 500gb HDD for 30 quid from wos as i've got tons of usb/ssd hd not sure if its worth it though.

 

[Ferret.]

Learning curve on the Octagon and UNO SE are the same mate both run on E2 images.

The twin tuner 8008 will allow you to watch and record a channel at the same time with a twin or quad LNB and your existing cables.

If you add another box you can always run another cable from the Quad LNB to that box.

 

[gadgetuk]

Learning curve on the Octagon and UNO SE are the same mate both run on E2 images.

The twin tuner 8008 will allow you to watch and record a channel at the same time with a twin or quad LNB and your existing cables.

If you add another box you can always run another cable from the Quad LNB to that box.

How hard is it to go from a twin tuner to a single tuner ? ie if i ask wos to set it up as a twin tuner but then decide to revert back to a single tuner can i do that myself or is it a complicated setup ?
adding another cable won't be an option for the time being

thanks again for answering all my queries even if some sound silly lol

reading previous related posts i can see this forum is full of knowledgable helpful people who know alot about satellites not blowing smoke but its appreciated especially by people like myself

 

[kippysat]

How hard is it to go from a twin tuner to a single tuner ? ie if i ask wos to set it up as a twin tuner but then decide to revert back to a single tuner can i do that myself or is it a complicated setup ?
adding another cable won't be an option for the time being

thanks again for answering all my queries even if some sound silly lol

reading previous related posts i can see this forum is full of knowledgable helpful people who know alot about satellites not blowing smoke but its appreciated especially by people like myself

Hi @gadgetuk ,

It's not silly. All you would need to do is disconnect one cable from the back of the receiver and it defacto becomes a single tuner. Simple.

One thing to remember when switching over and reusing your Sky Q cables is to ensure that the LNB is not a wideband one.
To connect to the Octagon or UNO or any other sat receiver, the cables need to be connected to a standard lnb.

Sky Q is unusual in that it requires a wideband lnb, which then supplies the signals to the Sky Q box via a wideband horizontal cable and a wideband vertical cable.

 

[Ferret.]

How hard is it to go from a twin tuner to a single tuner ? ie if i ask wos to set it up as a twin tuner but then decide to revert back to a single tuner can i do that myself or is it a complicated setup ?
adding another cable won't be an option for the time being

thanks again for answering all my queries even if some sound silly lol

reading previous related posts i can see this forum is full of knowledgable helpful people who know alot about satellites not blowing smoke but its appreciated especially by people like myself

Can be done quickly under setup menus.

Just disable one tuner.

 

[kegnkiwi]

How hard is it to go from a twin tuner to a single tuner ? ie if i ask wos to set it up as a twin tuner but then decide to revert back to a single tuner can i do that myself or is it a complicated setup ?
adding another cable won't be an option for the time being

thanks again for answering all my queries even if some sound silly lol

reading previous related posts i can see this forum is full of knowledgable helpful people who know alot about satellites not blowing smoke but its appreciated especially by people like myself

If you order from wos, just be prepared that when you get the box it wont be set up for you it will be flashed most probably with a vix image. You will need to install a channel list and set the receiver up to 28.e in the tuner menu just to get the freesat channels.

 

[bmitie]

You will have to read more carefully. " When you change the LNB to a quad you will have 4 outputs but as you have only 2 cables then you can connect 2 boxes, the Viark is a single tuner and with an E2 box with 2 tuners you can disable one and use it as a single. The idea of the 2 tuners is for recording one and watch another." Post above.

The SF8008 does not have an internal HDD you have to use USB

kegnkiwi pay attention OP is thinking of getting this, it is setup for freesat.

OCTAGON SF8008 V3 SUPREME TWIN 4K UHD 2x DVB-S2X - PRE-SETUP FOR FREESAT UK​

I would not buy the SF8008 now and then a UNO later. The uno is a million times better than the sf8008 and WOS would set up the Uno with Freesat I'm sure.

 

[kegnkiwi]

You will have to read more carefully. " When you change the LNB to a quad you will have 4 outputs but as you have only 2 cables then you can connect 2 boxes, the Viark is a single tuner and with an E2 box with 2 tuners you can disable one and use it as a single. The idea of the 2 tuners is for recording one and watch another." Post above.

The SF8008 does not have an internal HDD you have to use USB

kegnkiwi pay attention OP is thinking of getting this, it is setup for freesat.

OCTAGON SF8008 V3 SUPREME TWIN 4K UHD 2x DVB-S2X - PRE-SETUP FOR FREESAT UK​

I would not buy the SF8008 now and then a UNO later. The uno is a million times better than the sf8008 and WOS would set up the Uno with Freesat I'm sure.

Ha ha thats just too easy...

 

[gadgetuk]

You will have to read more carefully. " When you change the LNB to a quad you will have 4 outputs but as you have only 2 cables then you can connect 2 boxes, the Viark is a single tuner and with an E2 box with 2 tuners you can disable one and use it as a single. The idea of the 2 tuners is for recording one and watch another." Post above.

The SF8008 does not have an internal HDD you have to use USB

kegnkiwi pay attention OP is thinking of getting this, it is setup for freesat.

OCTAGON SF8008 V3 SUPREME TWIN 4K UHD 2x DVB-S2X - PRE-SETUP FOR FREESAT UK​

I would not buy the SF8008 now and then a UNO later. The uno is a million times better than the sf8008 and WOS would set up the Uno with Freesat I'm sure.

thanks for the reply its appreciated my thought process is this and please everyone comment or give your views on what i'm aiming to do

I get the 8008 its decent enough as a stater box and can always sell it on if i don't like it i see whether i can work with it i've never used a non sky satellite box hopefully i will be able to get used to it. but who knows

If i do and like it then i move onto phase two which is expanding so i get a viark thats not certain with current issues and a VU+ uno which will be for the living room and i repurpose the 8008 upstairs in the bedroom or spare bedroom i then have a new cables installed to that bedroom. This does mean i will need an octo lnb which i've already looked into

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Labgear-Universal-Freesat-Satellite-Receiver-Black/dp/B09QL992DD/ref=sr_1_4?crid=2ESG5PNI1ZTSJ&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.gSmjsnA1W1E7r7dUDOugm16U5GYd342Jl8l3kW7TfONshfJeR-Fvgf74fUz3PFJfaD8DM9d0tSxOKUkrIMc7xQSNMP0kkBiz_3K_01I1HKJpRQswRTFSisVpBf9_w5b7UztqH-JctLcZtCU1RtFN74ysNeEkfA5qxiyMG4PORR5FIh8pArzwBlV7eZSx60UP6Se7RP_g4PKmrIlxfAuM_TpVJKkLt9sQ2at23q-D-vQ.IS9JXUMXrmC49tUZlZSlqjGNEnWjUahGiJ2ospRy8xQ&dib_tag=se&keywords=octo+lnb&qid=1760991180&refresh=1&sprefix=octo+lnb,aps,340&sr=8-4&th=1

or

GeoSync Universal Octo 8 Output LNB for Satellite Dish SKY Freesat HD TV KU Band Satellite Receiver with Spirit Level Bracket: Amazon.co.uk: Electronics & Photo

if all goes well with the above then in the future i could potentially move onto a motorised dish but not sure if my property has that capacity garden isn't very big the nrighbours wouldn't like a huge dish as an eyesore on the side of the house etc

But this is all dependant on whether i can get used to non sky sat boxes i'm sure i will but i may not.

Every autumn i give myself a little projct last year was building a nas for myself and extended family huge stroage for media security cameras family stuff etc and its worked a treat wouldn't be without it now. we use it daily for a multitude of things

sorry for the long post and please do comment on if you think its not the right way to do it.

 

[Abu Baniaz]

If you are going to be expanding and changing the LNB in the future, get a unicable LNB for 28.2. with at least 16 SCR. It is usually cheaper to buy a splitter at the outset instead of trying to get one later.

Ignore the people who think you need FBC tuners to use unicable.

 

[bmitie]

Well that's very useful. E2 boxes and very powerful as you are about to discover. You can make the image in the box look like sky, here is brief on my uno.

But you can also have more than one image loaded. called multiboot.

Willobuild on here does a lovely build and can help etc

Here is the link. His pics are Onyx and mine are called Slyk Q both by Kiddac. have read of WIllo

https://www.techkings.org/threads/willobuild


With a unicable LNB that has 32 scr and legacy ports you can have multiple connections and just one cable from dish but box needs to be comaptible. With FBC tuners one can record 8 progs at once but a normal box may work as well, ie the sf8008. Just to add to get the most benefit from Unicable FBC tuners are best.

 

[gadgetuk]

Further update i'll be getting the VU+ uno it seems like a much better option than the 8008

I've also just been quoted 55 pounds for installation of an octo universal lnb he will supply the lnb also

that is a bargain isn't it if i've not misunderstood

Does this seem very cheap to you guys ?

 

[Ferret.]

Further update i'll be getting the VU+ uno it seems like a much better option than the 8008

I've also just been quoted 55 pounds for installation of an octo universal lnb he will supply the lnb also

that is a bargain isn't it if i've not misunderstood

Does this seem very cheap to you guys ?

It's about the right price mate. LNB can be £20-30

Its a 2 min job.

 

[bmitie]

Go a bit slower an OCTO Lnb will require 8 cables from the dish!!! You only have 2 at the moment. With a unicable 32 and legacy you get a better option. Less cables. I have the 32 and it has 3 legacy outputs but with a splitter etc.

I dont know if viark 4k sat will work with unicable.

 

[Ferret.]

Viarks in fact most recent boxes work with Uni cable LNBs

 

[gadgetuk]

It's about the right price mate. LNB can be £20-30

Its a 2 min job.

Go a bit slower an OCTO Lnb will require 8 cables from the dish!!! You only have 2 at the moment. With a unicable 32 and legacy you get a better option. Less cables. I have the 32 and it has 3 legacy outputs but with a splitter etc.

I dont know if viark 4k sat will work with unicable.

I don't want to confuse the installer yet again as i've already changed from hybrid to quad now octo if i mention unicable he may just think i'm playing games

if i need to upgrade the LNB again if/when i get a motorised dish then so be it i also at the moment don't want any new cabling and not sure if having an unicable will mean i need new cables or can be used with my current two

atm i just want to get it done i've got the VU+ UNO ordered and hopefully will have the LNB installed next week and the price quoted is excellent

edit no idea why it double quoted wasn't intended