Expect a knock on your door from the council if you refuse to get the vaccine

bonus2010

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Expect a knock on your door from the council if you refuse to get the vaccine​


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"The Government is considering sending council staff to visit people who have refused an offer to get
vaccinated, the minister responsible for the roll-out has suggested.


Amid fears a sizeable proportion of the population are still sceptical of getting the Covid vaccine, those who have so far
turned down the chance to get inoculated may soon get a knock on the door to find out why.

Vaccines Minister Nadhim Zahawi told MPs he wanted to identify ‘at an individual level’ the people who still need to be reached, according to The Times. "



>>> Source & full story here METRO NEWS <<<<<


I'm just wondering what period of history this suggestion resembles... 1930s/40s Germany ?

Well, they can knock on my door all day... I never naswer it lol
 

pupuqiop

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I think they're possibly just hoping to gain a better understanding of why people are declining (not refusing, that's the wrong word) the offer of the vaccine in case people are making ill-informed decisions.

They're not kicking doors in and pinning people down to inject them against their will.
 

bonus2010

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I think they're possibly just hoping to gain a better understanding of why people are declining (not refusing, that's the wrong word) the offer of the vaccine in case people are making ill-informed decisions.

They're not kicking doors in and pinning people down to inject them against their will.

That's maybe, but I still see it as a form of harrasment.
They could just as easily send a SAE asking if the decliners would like to share reasons or concerns.
 

pupuqiop

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That's maybe, but I still see it as a form of harrasment.
They could just as easily send a SAE asking if the decliners would like to share reasons or concerns.

Harrasment might be a bit strong, depends how the action is carried out though I suppose. If someone knocks on my door once to try to sell me something I don't want, I don't feel harassed. If they put the hard sell on after being politely declined then it is quite irksome and could feel like harrasment.
 

bonus2010

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Harrasment might be a bit strong, depends how the action is carried out though I suppose. If someone knocks on my door once to try to sell me something I don't want, I don't feel harassed. If they put the hard sell on after being politely declined then it is quite irksome and could feel like harrasment.

I think door to door sales is considerably different (troublesome as it can be for some) from having the council staff of the government knocking on your door wanting an 'explanation'
.... and that is regardless of how softly softly their voices and manner is.......
 

pupuqiop

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I think door to door sales is considerably different (troublesome as it can be for some) from having the council staff of the government knocking on your door wanting an 'explanation'
.... and that is regardless of how softly softly their voices and manner is.......

That's because you almost certainly have a quite extreme preconception on the situation - that's not supposed to be offensive btw as you're quite within your rights to feel as you do.
 

xero50

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To my mind, they probably will not need to bother themselves with asking, as I can see a day coming when industry and public bodies will make life all but impossible people who have not been vaccinated (for whatever reason whether that be on medical, religious, moral or any other grounds), to even go outside their own front door Add to that, an equivalent of the finance/banking industry "know your customer rules", where they pretend not to know who you are until you have exposed and conceded all to them - - - - I can imagine the conversation with a jobsworth going something like
Jobsworth: Have you been vaccinated ?
Me: Yes of course I have
Jobsworth: Show me proof
Me: I have this chitty here that they gave me at the vaccination centre
Jobsworth: But you could of made that yourself or found it on the pavement for all I know. How do I know that chitty was for you and not someone else ? How do I know that it applies to you and not someone else ?
Me: Because I'm telling you honestly, they gave it to me when I was vaccinated
Jobsworth: You want to come through this door then show me 3 forms of photo-ID, utilty bill, passport, death certificate of your grandmother's cat - - - - - blah-blah-blah

I don't know if there is an emoticon for 'tin-foil-hat' but if I could find one, I'd use it right here and say this - - - - mark my words, maybe not today, or even this year, but it's coming
 

Taylerlee

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Is it me? I cant get my head around this I come on this forum as my hobby is anything to do with tec and particularly connected to iptv/streaming. Then I see this thread concerning a totally distorted interpretation of a perfectly reasonable fact finding exercise. As for comparisons with Nazi Germany sorry totally out of order. I may be of a different generation but I want my grandchildren, my children and my wife to be safe and if that requires someone who is referred to as a 'jobsworth' keeping me safe I am content with that. As for knocking on your door its not the Gestapo! they are trying to help the majority to be safe. Thats me done back to STREAMING!
 

xero50

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Is it me? I cant get my head around this ..........
Well, truth to tell, I hope with all my heart that I am wrong, and will be proved to be wrong.
In all things I try not to attribute to malice that which can be attributed to incompetence, but experience tells me that way more often as not I am wrong to do so. For example, it maybe that as you say those people undertaking what appears to be a "perfectly reasonable exercise" are very well intended and operate with all good faith and reason. Sadly they are probably the biggest victims of all in such an exercise.
As for the term "jobsworth" - I choose to use that word as the most polite invective I could think of at the time. I would not ordinarily use such polite terms such is my opinion (born out of experience) of such people.
As for tech - - - oddly it is my own experience with tech in both my working and personal life that leads me to such thoughts.
I am more than willing to accept responsibility for my own and my family's safety and well being and far less inclined to cede such responsibility to a so-called "experts" , who when all said and done typically not only get things wrong, but are so-far wrong as to be laughable at best and tragic at worst.
I could go on, but like I said earlier I hope to be proven wrong; but that is very much a case of hope over expectation. - Time will tell.
 

channelking

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They can't enforce anything on you if you have not taken the vaccine. There is something called human rights I believe still in existence this democratic country we live in.

Article is misleading as they come.
 

rs500nutter

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I thought this thread was going to be expect a knock on door from Tv licencing lol they been knocking for the last 7yrs but nobody appears to be in (n):LOL:
 

biff2005

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they can come im at work most of the time,, they can come see me there if they want something :LOL: i'll sell em some masks and gloves and hand sanitizer...
 

bonus2010

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They can't enforce anything on you if you have not taken the vaccine. There is something called human rights

Are you sure?
I seem to see what I thought were human rights being trampled on all over the place ( good idea for another thread human rights)

I believe still in existence this democratic country we live in.

Hmm, I'm struggling to believe that, I've heard of so much legislation being introduced by
government in the name of Covid, where MPs haven't had any say
 

xero50

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Are you sure?
I seem to see what I thought were human rights being trampled on all over the place ( good idea for another thread human rights)



Hmm, I'm struggling to believe that, I've heard of so much legislation being introduced by
government in the name of Covid, where MPs haven't had any say
How about a working example or two:-
Why is it that the "covid" legislation provides for the harvesting of test subject's DNA and for it's indefinite retention and use for any purpose ???
Why is it that not one person has been recorded as dying from influenza for the past year or so ?
 

bonus2010

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How about a working example or two:-
Why is it that the "covid" legislation provides for the harvesting of test subject's DNA and for it's indefinite retention and use for any purpose ???
Why is it that not one person has been recorded as dying from influenza for the past year or so ?

tbh I wasn't aware of further legislation to harvest DNA of test subject in relation to covid, although I've been aware the authorities have been retaining
DNA in relation to those suspected of a crime for years.

well, given that covid = influenza, I'd assume government is just classifying all the same, but as to how they would answer, I don't know.

I was thinking of something more basic, like restrictions on movement as I see that as a human right. or being ordered you can't visit members of your own family
 

myars

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my understading is that some people have changed status and cant get to vacinne centres. so knock on the door would you like a home visit is good.
 

xero50

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tbh ....................although I've been aware the authorities have been retaining DNA in relation to those suspected of a crime for years.
True, however, retention under those cicumstances is in law at least conditional, and future uses for now at least equally conditional. This however has been trumped by 'covid specific legislation' which has largely passed without scrutiny. If I thought for a minute that once this emergency has passed that they would destroy that DNA information, or restrict it's future use then I could begin to accept it. I strongly suspect that will not prove to be the case in the future however.
Meanwhile, Singapore as an example have enacted similar laws and have also mandated continuing unconditional and perpetual movement recording and monitoring of people's cellphones allowing that data to be put to use for any purpose, and making it available to any agency that may want it. I suspect that our own powers that be will be looking longingly at that and working-out how they can enact something similar here. (having the track and trace app on your phone is mandatory in Singapore by the way).

well, given that covid = influenza, I'd assume government is just classifying all the same, but as to how they would answer, I don't know.
Fair comment. However, if someone is telling you that x number of people have died of this particular/specific condition and have also just lumped-in a whole bunch of people who would had died of another type/strain of influenza, then they are at best gilding the lily or at worst telling bare-faced lies. Similarly you could make comments about the efficacy of testing results and diagnosis using a test process and procedure where the designers of said test specifically state in the first para' of their white-paper that under no circumstances should their test be used to detect any form of virus.

I was thinking of something more basic, like restrictions on movement as I see that as a human right. or being ordered you can't visit members of your own family
Totally with you there - - - ain't that the truth and probably the very worse part of it.
 

myars

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That's because you almost certainly have a quite extreme preconception on the situation - that's not supposed to be offensive btw as you're quite within your rights to feel as you do.
of course the travel ban will be set against the un-vacinnated by the destination country. no vacinne , no travel. so unfair...
 
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