General Election 2017 poll/Discussion

[meliam112]

As an ex service man I could never vote for a party that as Corben at the helm, he is an accident in the making,just hearing him condemning the latest terrorist acts while holding the option that he thinks the IRA were right in the 60's 70's and beyond were right and openly declaring it will never see my vote,and any Labourite should hang their heads in shame for voting for a party that has that attitude and the blessing of that waste of space Blair the Betrayer behind him

Yawn, you can't even get his name right!

Of course you'd rather support the gun runners and arms dealers than a man of peace, didn't John Major & Mo Mowlam also talk to the people you speak of? That's by the by, all peacekeepers speak to all sides and are inclusive of all views, it is the only way if they are to move forward without firing a shot.

Your way is working so well isn't it? It would be laughable if it wasn't so tragic.

I don't know where you've been the last two years but if you think Blair and his cronies back Corbyn you couldn't be more wrong! In fact if you want him to answer for his past crimes your best chance of that happening is to change your vote. After all who tried to stop him all those years ago?
Not many spoke up against Blair and he's done all in his power to get Corbyn out, fortunately he's failed.

 

[garyth]

I get your point but the other main alternative sold billions of arms to the Saudis who are the main sponsors of terrorism.
And cut the police force to the lowest levels, taking beat bobbies, armed response units and dogs and handlers out of action.

At least Labour isn't going to be taking money from this poor working man to give to their rich mates.

Unfortunately I don't get the point, he isn't saying he agrees with he IRA, in fact he said he disagreed but also disagreed with all paramilitaries including the loyalists.

 

[bugsy]

Why not vote for Labour get 4 days extra bank holidays and be less screwed over.;)

Will do, and they are going to get rid of tuition fees. Thats like equal oppertunities.

 

[middots3]

As a 24 year old, most young voters seem to be supporting Corbyn. Finally a politician that isn't hell bent on "military intervention" with our "international partners". How people turn their noses up at reversing NHS privatization, police & military budget cuts and a peaceful international stance is beyond me.

Shame on you if you vote for more austerity, more big business tax cuts, taking meals from kiddies, fox hunting, a wannabe tax haven and an overall c*nt of a woman that looks like Cruella de Vil.

For all the planks banging on about the IRA:
"I agreed with the shooting of British soldiers and believed the more who were killed, the better."

Pretty grim right? Quote from a SERVING Tory councilor Maria Gatland. Fully fledged member of the IRA back in the day.

 

[No1uKnOw]

As a 24 year old, most young voters seem to be supporting Corbyn. Finally a politician that isn't hell bent on "military intervention" with our "international partners". How people turn their noses up at reversing NHS privatization, police & military budget cuts and a peaceful international stance is beyond me.

Shame on you if you vote for more austerity, more big business tax cuts, taking meals from kiddies, fox hunting, a wannabe tax haven and an overall c*nt of a woman that looks like Cruella de Vil.

For all the planks banging on about the IRA:
"I agreed with the shooting of British soldiers and believed the more who were killed, the better."

Pretty grim right? Quote from a SERVING Tory councilor Maria Gatland. Fully fledged member of the IRA back in the day.

Austerity?
As a 24 year old you will not even know what that means,
How can a country spend more money that it brings in?
Magic Money tree?
We borrow money,
as to be paid back,
Borrow more and more,
More to pay back,
WE do not run a surplus.

 

[wullboy]

Vote liberal .... or we'll shoot yur dug.....[ Jeremy Thorpe ]...????

 

[argenta]

I hope the people in Mainland U.K. like the new Tory partners who believe that the world was born 6.000 years ago and that the dinosaurs either never existed or where on Earth at the same time as Adam and Eve, and not Adam and Steve as they are against Gay marriage as it is against their Bible believing Old Testament beliefs. They also want everything closed down on Sundays so you can all go to church and Sunday School. Oh and no footie either. Enjoy your new lives.

 

[JohnKasino]

Now that the dust has settlled (for the time being anyway) it was clear that this was the worst Tory general election campaign in my memory. While Corbyn was traversing the country seemingly relaxed mingling with people May struck me as very awkward and removed from people. The Maybot tag stuck to her like glue. Then U turn after U turn, dementia tax etc and the 20 000 police officer cuts reallly hurt them. Quite cleay May completely miscalculated the public mood and the tabloids no longer have the influence they did. Corbyn polling 41% of the vote was astonishing and Labour won in areas even Blair couldn't reach. I tend to think that the present situation is unsustainable and another GE is around the corner.

 

[No1uKnOw]

Not anotherrr onee!!!!

 

[fxsniper]

Can't see another General Election anytime soon. I could be wrong of course. I mean if the shoe was on the other foot would Corbyn stand down? No chance. John Mcdonnell said he and Corbyn would both go if they lost, which they did and they are still there. Tories wont allow another GE I wouldn't have thought, they have a PM for 5 years.

May's campaign was awful. She's horrific in public. No wonder she doesn't debate :)

I still can't get my head around the fact 40% of people voted to wreck the economy. Mental if you ask me when that's where all our money comes from. People were properly brainwashed in to thinking austerity is a choice I guess technically it was but that just means austerity further down the road. The national debt has risen more than £3 billion since the election was over. That gives some insight in to the debt we are in. It goes up something like £5,100 a second. Those chickens are coming home to roost one day unfortunately.

Heard some stats that Labour are by far the biggest Left party in europe. Their counterparts in France have 10%. Most people in europe have given up on the type of polices Labour put forward. I'm not having a go as the policies were good bar the student fees, just definitely not deliverable in our current fiscal state.

The student fees policy is both comical and clever. Comical because
a) 50% of the fees aren't paid back anyway
b) it's no win no fee education what can be more socialist than that
c) scrapping fees is a tax break for middle and upper classes in the main
d) fees scrapped in Scotland didn't get any more poor students in to education
e) the students voting for it are essentially voting for less jobs when they leave due to impact on economy
f) If 50% of fees aren't paid back now we can only assume that 50% of students aren't getting the jobs they thought they would get
e) The young person who decides not to go in to further education has to pay tax and subsidize the ones that do.
So who did the policy help bar the wealthier families. On the other hand it was super clever, 1m new students in to higher education each year. So lets just say 3 years worth of students in education now. Labour got 2m votes from that policy in the main so not so stupid. Not only that but it's those voters that are savy on twitter and facebook. Once that was leaked the campaign ran itself.

Tory manifesto was boring and more of the same austerity. People didn't vote for that understandably, even if they didn't have an idea of the consequence.

It will be interesting going forward. Personally I don't really care too much for politics, it's all about the economics. Not enough of it was discussed this election unfortunately. Virtually no one watched the instiute of fiscal studies youtube videos where they pulled the manifestos to pieces. The essentially said that Labour were 20% short in their income calcs anyway. And that is on top of increasing the defecit. Yet right up to election day I heard Labour supporters using the National debt against the Conservative party. Pure madness really but it seems people these days will believe absolutely anything.

Personally I'm just glad the whole sh show is all over.

 

[mcrred]

Irony is that Corbyn pulled more of the vote than Blair in 1997.

And May more than Thatcher in 79.

 

[fxsniper]

I know. Nuts really. Small parties obliterated.

 

[meliam112]

Can't see another General Election anytime soon............Tories wont allow another GE I wouldn't have thought, they have a PM for 5 years.

I still can't get my head around the fact 40% of people voted to wreck the economy.

October at the latest, the abysmal woman will be gone well before then.

Yeah because the economy is doing so well now isn't it? Are you dreaming? We're up shit creek and imploding, car sales are dire, inflation's growing, wages falling and we haven't hit the EU exit debacle yet. What's in the pipeline an inside bog tax to go along with the evil bedroom tax?

Your points about student fees are complete and utter bollocks and an insult to the young of this country! My kids and their friends didn't 'fall for a bribe' they voted for their futures and who they thought gave them the best and brightest outlook.
Example, Point e) You tried being clever here but caught yourself out, are you talking about higher or further education because you use both terms? Only Labour talked about helping those in higher education so your point as a whole became worthless.
But for now we'll use the term FURTHER education to cover the whole. ALL kids HAVE to go into further education these days, it's not for those who decide any more as you claim and that's why Labour made the important distinction in mentioning it. Got it now?
It just shows just how out of touch you really are.

40% of people didn't vote to wreck the economy they voted to be rid of these evil bastards!
They've been killing people for years, just not on such a 'big news event' scale.

 

[fxsniper]

How will an Election be triggered? I'm not arguing with you I just don't know. I thought if May stands down the Cons just appoint a new one? Only other way I know of is vote of no confidence which wouldn't work either.

The world economy is at breaking point. Lots of economic indicators are pointing to a recession in the States. If they get one we'll get one regardless. But in terms of the UK it has done really well relatively bar the last 2 months. Yeas austerity has been shit, it's gone from having everything we want to cutting it back to the bone. I left the public sector 2 years ago as it was grim. But for every one job that was lost in the public sector 8 private sector jobs have been created. Those are the facts, yes wages are being squeezed and that's not good. But we have the lowest unemployment figures since 1975. Yes some are on Zero hour contracts but they are a small fraction of the new jobs that were created.

I'm not sure what term to use further/higher education. I asked my sister as she works as a manger at Student Loans for over 10 years. She said to me 1,000,000 going in to education, by which I think she meant people who can pay student fees. I can ask her for clarification if you want.

The massive gains for Corbyn in a pre election poll, wiped billions off sterling. Go and have a look at the currency charts. That poll still actually showed that the Cons would still get a majority. Then when the exit poll came out another huge drop in sterling. The once monthly monetary policy committee had their meeting. I think the previous vote was 7-1 or 8-0 to keep interest rates the same. This time they voted 5-3 which shows they are now concerned and rise in rate is more likely in the near future. Normally that would see a huge jump in sterling strength. But it didn't really. The wise money around the world who invest in our Country are sufficiently concerned at the moment to value us as a nation lower than they did and that has lots of impacts economically for us.

Brexit vote was bad for us currency wise but then the economic data that came after baffled everyone. I thought before the poll that showed Corbyn doing well, that a Labour win would be bad and that is what the markets confirmed.

My personal view is that a Cons majority win this time would've given the best chance of the economy doing well. If we do manage to avoid a world meltdown a labour government would have a much better platform next time of making a lasting change.

I haven't come here to argue with anyone. One person one vote that what makes democracy great. I voted Conservative this time based on economic safety, but next time if they have a decent leader I'll probably vote Lib Dems. I'd vote for labour if they scale back on some of their policies. Either way peace to everyone regardless of political persuasion.

 

[j4v3d]

Theresa Mayhem.

 

[meliam112]

1,000,000 what going into education? All students have to stay at school or go to 6th form college now until they're 18, no loans or help for that 'further education'. Higher education is where the uni's come into play.

Wonder how many of those public sector job swaps with the private are in our beloved NHS? I do speak from experience, all these private companies taking their slices of the NHS pie, just happened where I live with the Macmillan Cancer Nurses, the greedy bastards have even got their noses in the trough there. No surprise to find Tory donors sitting pretty on the boards of them is it? Cost cutting a charity service and taking a slice for themselves, what a bunch of chancers.
You know how they got the contract off the local NHS? The CCG (basically GP's) got a nod and a wink about not having to work weekends.

We're back to the bad old days of it's who you know, that's why we need to change and why I put my faith in the young, we've taken it too long and let them down. That's why we've ended up with the useless idiots we've got.

Economics means nothing if the rest of society is worthless.