Thanks for the picture ,, I have all most sorted the vu+duo 2 box out now with lots of help from bees ,, and others well I say that I've got cable side working on a trail line which is in fantastic hd the picture is perfect ,, what I must say is I had a kryptveiw box before and when you connect to that box its a screw in fitting at the back of the box ,, and on the vu its a push in type that's where I went wrong I screwed it in to the sat side on the vu duo 2 box. Cable is A .... I have sorted that out now and as I said it perfect ,, BUT the sat side is not working at all but its an old dish over 10 years old and ain't been used in that time so it might be the dish .. I've screwed the sat cable on the top one on the back off the box is this right and also there is a loop cable in the box do I need this , once again thank you for all your help would of been lost with out all your help ,, one bit of advice to any one who is setting up these boxes be patient and in the end the results so far are amazing