Omicron

[teddybloat]

going for herd immunity for a virus many times more deadly and debilitating post survival than flu was always going to be a stretch.

when you have a very effective vaccine it borders on psychopathic.

the data from from SA is interesting as they had very low vaccine uptake and so it's likely when omicron hit almost the entire population in some areas likely had already encountered a form of covid. previous infection + vaccination had the best outcomes of all, and was much better than simply having 'natural' immunity.

let's be clear what natural immunity is.

its catching covid and surviving, hopefully with lung function intact.

when there is a 90 - 95% effective vaccine choosing to encounter covid au natural is a strange choice.

 

[Stkrk7]

Cause 99.9% of conspiracy is bullshite like elvis is still alive ect 🤣🤣 just same with 9/11 apparently that was an inside job by cia ect

There are some conspiracy theories out there that are just theories done deliberately and to make others look stupid and 99.9% is pathetic its the other way around of cause it was an inside job same as JFK, 7/7 and tony blair the war criminal found guilty in a Malaysian Court same with george bush for war crimes and as a result we went to war over WMD and if your honest with yourself you will agree 100% non were ever found and they "suicided" Dr David Kelly but thats all acceptable isn't it murdering people for telling the truth going to wars over lies murdering millions of innocent people and you still believe in the Government and how well they look after their own people like the army veterans that are homeless and living on the streets but can spend 320 million on advertising the fake virus

Do you seriously believe these politicians are honorable and have our best interests at heart? know your enemy or believe them and see what happens put your trust and faith in someone you don't know and have never met just because they speak with a silver spoon in their mouth's and are on the tell lie vision its all good everyone else is just conspiracy theorists and no matter how much evidence you show people you won't convience the stupid look into it yourself or don't as for elvis he many well be know your enemy its not something i can comment on ive never looked into it but heard it and to instantly dismiss anything when our his-story is a lie is why they get away with it time and time again, ever wonder why his-story keeps repeating itself because it was written by the victors and is manipulated so they come out as hero's and not villains people won't move on from the "conspiracy theory" quote thinking they are so intelligent until they accept the facts we are lied to daily by the very people we are susposed to trust, our his-story is a lie

 

[HiTecK]

OK how would you define fit and healthy? there have been young 'fit' people with no known underlying health issues die from Covid,

Is someone say in late 40's/early 50's that sits all day at a computer, no exercies but no known underlying issues as rarely goes to see the doc going to be classed as fit and healthy? if he is and he's been allowed to die from covid because he was not given the vaccine but instead was part of the herd immunity, who is going to be at fault? Yes you guessed it, Not Hitec for saying he agrees with Herd immunity but Borris and co.

I get your point but we'll never know now as it didn't happen. We won't know if letting people build natural immunity would have resulted in fewer deaths long term, I bet we wouldn't be having such high case rates as we are today. As for picking who should have the vaccine. The same people eligible for the flu vaccine.

 

[Barniedog]

Am I correct in thinking when the vaccine was first rolled out the pharma companies gave governments two prices for the vaccine I believe it was £9 with the pharma taking responsibility if things went wrong or £3 and the government took the blame.does anyone know if the government as been taken to court by any of the family’s who have died from the vaccine and there have been many.just something to think about.

 

[pupuqiop]

I get your point but we'll never know now as it didn't happen. We won't know if letting people build natural immunity would have resulted in fewer deaths long term, I bet we wouldn't be having such high case rates as we are today. As for picking who should have the vaccine. The same people eligible for the flu vaccine.

It didn't happen because getting to herd immunity would have meant sacrificing far too many lives to covid.

 

[pupuqiop]

does anyone know if the government as been taken to court by any of the family’s who have died from the vaccine and there have been many.just something to think about.

There's long standing legislation in place to prevent governments being sued in such instances.

 

[grog68]

I get your point but we'll never know now as it didn't happen. We won't know if letting people build natural immunity would have resulted in fewer deaths long term, I bet we wouldn't be having such high case rates as we are today. As for picking who should have the vaccine. The same people eligible for the flu vaccine.

I would have thought it pretty obvious, looking at the death rates last year when we had lock downs, social distancing and the start of vaccine roll out etc, if those measures where not in place then more people would have caught it (herd immunity) but also more people would have died, those that where lucky enough to survive may well have been prrotected in the future but at what cost. Maybe that is the idea, of herd immunity to wipe out the weak.

 

[teddybloat]

instead of issuing police stab proof vests we should just have them stabbed in training so that only police who have good natural anti knife chest cavities make it through the selection phase

 

[pabloescaban]

Why are you suggesting we need to test 60 million to keep those who don't want a vaccine, in a much needed profession?

You suggested it in post #155, why not screen those who don't want the vaccine.
At what point in the pandemic are we supposed to screen millions of people?
During a lockdown?
Or at the same time a massive vaccine rollout is implemented?

 

[Barniedog]

Am I correct in thinking when the vaccine was first rolled out the pharma companies gave governments two prices for the vaccine I believe it was £9 with the pharma taking responsibility if things went wrong or £3 and the government took the blame.does anyone know if the government as been taken to court by any of the family’s who have died from the vaccine and there have been many.just something to think about.

There's long standing legislation in place to prevent governments being sued in such instances.

So it’s a bit like seeing it on both sides of the discussion “take a chance shit your pants”

 

[HiTecK]

You suggested it in post #155, why not screen those who don't want the vaccine.
At what point in the pandemic are we supposed to screen millions of people?
During a lockdown?
Or at the same time a massive vaccine rollout is implemented?

There's nothing wrong with testing those that don't want it for antibodies. Especially those working in jobs that require it. They do anyway for other occultations working in NHS.

That's what I said in post 155 👆.

That doesn't equate to 60 million people like you said.
It's 10% of 3.4 million people.
It would be cheaper to screen those in the NHS that don't want it rather than train up all those Drs/Nurses/Carers again if they do go ahead with the mandates.

 

[pabloescaban]

That's what I said in post 155 👆.

That doesn't equate to 60 million people like you said.
It's 10% of 3.4 million people.
It would be cheaper to screen those in the NHS that don't want it rather than train up all those Drs/Nurses/Carers again if they do go ahead with the mandates.

There would be millions of people who wouldn't want it if they were given an alternative.
Plus there would be no safe/economical way to do it.
Yes by all means screen those in the NHS who are refusing the vaccine, but if they're found to have no immunity, they either get the jab or leave

 

[Jamie Lee spice]

The NHS advert claims that the vaccine stops transmission.
Whose fact checking that.
The vaccine does not stop you catching or transmitting it.

 

[HiTecK]

Plus there would be no safe/economical way to do it.
Yes by all means screen those in the NHS who are refusing the vaccine, but if they're found to have no immunity, they either get the jab or leave

They already do it for those that don't want vaccines for other diseases. They have done for decades as I keep saying so it's nothing new.

As the doctor said in the video even when vaccinated it wanes after 8 weeks meaning they would have to have a vaccine every month. At least with natural immunity it's longer lasting.

Had COVID? You’ll probably make antibodies for a lifetime

 

[pabloescaban]

It wanes, it doesn't disappear.
You can't have a million people getting covid just to avoid having a jab, what about the other million or three million they go on to infect?
Its different testing for antibodies of measles or mumps etc, these aren't pandemics.

 

[teddybloat]

did you even read the article you linked to?

"Ellebedy’s team has observed early signs that Pfizer’s mRNA vaccine should trigger the production of the same cells4. But the persistence of antibody production, whether elicited by vaccination or by infection, does not ensure long-lasting immunity to COVID-19. The ability of some emerging SARS-CoV-2 variants to blunt the protective effects of antibodies means that additional immunizations may be needed to restore levels, says Ellebedy. “My presumption is, we will need a booster.”"

tbf it was the last paragraph of a short article surmising the results of one study looking a sample group of 77 people, but hey.

at least it wasn't a 4 hour podcast or summat really substantive like a facebook post

 

[Barniedog]

So with what’s been said the whole population would need a booster every month or two I don’t believe that would ever happen .so in the end they will let it run which would make the whole of this exercise a waste of time

 

[Barniedog]

What does that mean?can governments keep vaccinating indefinitely or will they start charging and I would like to see what the up take would be then,or the pharma giants come up with another vaccine.put your money into their shares

 

[pabloescaban]

So with what’s been said the whole population would need a booster every month or two I don’t believe that would ever happen .so in the end they will let it run which would make the whole of this exercise a waste of time

In the end.
The end.
Right now is that end you mentioned.
They're letting it run, no lockdowns, no furlough, no limits on pubs, restaurants, cinemas or anything else, which is why they rolled out the boosters a few months ago, - the early vaccinated were waning and they knew they were letting it run wild so they boosted everyone.

In four months, anyone not vaccinated will have natural antibodies or be dead.

The German health minister warned of this months ago, it's not just UK, it's worldwide

 

[HiTecK]

did you even read the article you linked to?

Did you? No you picked a tiny part and ran with that. The title is a dead giveaway btw 😉.

Here's some that you conveniently left out whilst attempting to make out I didn't read it.

Eg "Many people who have been infected with SARS-CoV-2 will probably make antibodies against the virus for most of their lives. So suggest researchers who have identified long-lived antibody-producing cells in the bone marrow of people who have recovered from COVID-19.
But these cells recede soon after a virus is cleared from the body, and other, longer-lasting cells make antibodies: memory B cells patrol the blood for reinfection, while bone marrow plasma cells (BMPCs) hide away in bones, trickling out antibodies for decades."

tbf it was the last paragraph of a short article surmising the results of one study looking a sample group of 77 people, but hey.

Yea there not an abundance of results to look at being as the studies are quite new but you should definitely disregard all 77 people who took the study if it doesn't fit 👍.