Leicester lockdown tightened

[channelking]

Wont be long with some of those areas are in lockdown. More and more cases are rising in such areas. Know in Birmingham and surrounding areas alot of high number of cases.

Does seem this government is hell bent on getting supporters back in stadias in the next couple of months.

 

[pabloescaban]

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[pabloescaban]

We should have worn masks from day one, why tf they told us 4 months on is beyond me,
All abit to soon for me

They didn't want people wearing masks months ago because there wasn't enough masks for 500k health workers and 60m members of the public at the same time so they told people to not use masks.
In hindsight they should have told everyone to use masks and then the NHS would have suffered and the death rate would have been sky high but it would avoided any confusion

 

[mbath]

They didn't want people wearing masks months ago because there wasn't enough masks for 500k health workers and 60m members of the public at the same time so they told people to not use masks.
In hindsight they should have told everyone to use masks and then the NHS would have suffered and the death rate would have been sky high but it would avoided any confusion

I get the comments about saving PPE for NHS but it's a bit of a catch-22 really. One could argue that had a strict mask wearing policy been implemented at the start the number of deaths we have seen would have been fewer given that is the purpose of wearing face masks to prevent catching the virus and therefore reducing any burden on the NHS.

 

[pabloescaban]

Masks don't stop you getting it- at all.
They play a part in stopping you giving it to others

 

[mbath]

Masks don't stop you getting it- at all.
They play a part in stopping you giving it to others

Then the NHS using masks is a complete waste of time too then? Therefore why the need to ensure the NHS has plenty of masks?

 

[loncell]

When you say "wasnt enough mask" that's rubbish. It's been proven, homemade face coverings using heavy materials are more effective than those cheap and nasty blue paper jobs.
The Goverment got it wrong as simple as. They, at the time took scientific advise. The scientist stated that it wouldnt make much of a difference.

Scientist were hell bent on the "wash your hands for 2 minutes" then 20 seconds ?. They were thinking if you kept 2m you'd be less likely to catch the virus. This theory about masks has now been dismissed as its shown the virus can travel 10m+ in the right conditions talking, shouting, sneezing, coughing.

Not only that, the virus can remain on certain surfaces for days on end but it must leave the mouth first. If the virus has less chance of making contact with surfaces via you touching your mouth or again sneezing or coughing etc then it makes contact with surfaces it would have a far have a less chance of finding a new host if we had of been told to wear an effective face covering right from the start, why tf the Gov told us to start wearing now is beyond me, I think they might have
THEY F**KED UP AGAIN
If there was actually a shortage then we should have been shown how to make one and which materials are better than others something would be better than nothing.
You knew it was wrong advise when the vast majority of infected countries were been advised different from us.

If the virus's main bode of travel is via bodily fluid then preventing that fluid leaving the body is a good deterrent from further outbreaks and any covering would have been better than no covering.
How many lives would have been saved if Anfield and Cheltenham had of been told "No face covering, no entry"

 

[teddybloat]

Face coverings in shops when shops where the only place people could go and be within distance of someone not from their household would have made a lot more sense than mandating them now.

I don't think they were even on the agenda at Cheltenham / anfield. There certainly would not have been the availability and I don't think compliance would have been adhered to nor enforceable.

There was a sweet spot to have been found, but we have to also consider that it's not something that fits our culture. If we are acting like it was a slam dunk decision to wear masks way back when Liverpool played Madrid than we have to ask why hardly any of us were calmouring for enforced masks or, indeed, wearing them ourselves.

 

[loncell]

Speak of the devil, this should have happened at the end of March

BBC News - Coronavirus: How to make your own face mask
Coronavirus: How to make your own face mask

The Government were warned in early Feb and italy was the blueprint of things to come. Regarding letting over 3000 fans in from Madrid?, again, the Goverment "knew" weeks and weeks before we shut down, was it the 21st March ? I forget.

Madrid was in partial lockdown but we let it go ahead along with Cheltenham, both events should have gone on behind closed doors or cancelled or told to wear mask or no entry. Other countries were enforcing this rule but our numbnuts closed the curtains as if to say "Never saw it, crack on".
Masks have never been on the agenda up till now and the reason is, we are slowly coming back out to play but still were allowed (up till Friday) to shop mask free and even today allowed in pubs mouth touching glass ??.


This is a killing virus which doesnt draw exception to cultures or living habits as Leicester Bradford Blackburn Luton and London are now finding out. It's simple we should have adapted faster asked to wear masks from March and for longer.

The Goverment made the wrong decision. We should have been wearing them from the end of March, end of non debatable they got it wrong. Basing everything on social distancing and washing hands has no been proven not to have been enough protection from each other.


Wait till the Corona virus mutates once again as it will with say an Ebola SARS or MERS type virus. Just as infectious but 20 times more deadly. It wont be as selective as to who it kills it will be straight across the board babies to old people no holds barred then we might be told to wear a mask were ever you go

 

[pabloescaban]

Then the NHS using masks is a complete waste of time too then? Therefore why the need to ensure the NHS has plenty of masks?

I think it's obvious I meant the masks available to the public, not surgical grade masks used by NHS staff on covid wards

 

[channelking]

I think masks should have been mandatory for the whole country months ago.

We are behind countries when it comes to the wearing of masks, gloves etc.

 

[superdark024]

I think masks should have been mandatory for the whole country months ago.

We are behind countries when it comes to the wearing of masks, gloves etc.

we are way behind. rules are silly for masks. shop workers dont need to wear them but everyone else does. how does that make sense

 

[teddybloat]

Speak of the devil, this should have happened at the end of March

BBC News - Coronavirus: How to make your own face mask
Coronavirus: How to make your own face mask

The Government were warned in early Feb and italy was the blueprint of things to come. Regarding letting over 3000 fans in from Madrid?, again, the Goverment "knew" weeks and weeks before we shut down, was it the 21st March ? I forget.

Madrid was in partial lockdown but we let it go ahead along with Cheltenham, both events should have gone on behind closed doors or cancelled or told to wear mask or no entry. Other countries were enforcing this rule but our numbnuts closed the curtains as if to say "Never saw it, crack on".
Masks have never been on the agenda up till now and the reason is, we are slowly coming back out to play but still were allowed (up till Friday) to shop mask free and even today allowed in pubs mouth touching glass ??.


This is a killing virus which doesnt draw exception to cultures or living habits as Leicester Bradford Blackburn Luton and London are now finding out. It's simple we should have adapted faster asked to wear masks from March and for longer.

The Goverment made the wrong decision. We should have been wearing them from the end of March, end of non debatable they got it wrong. Basing everything on social distancing and washing hands has no been proven not to have been enough protection from each other.


Wait till the Corona virus mutates once again as it will with say an Ebola SARS or MERS type virus. Just as infectious but 20 times more deadly. It wont be as selective as to who it kills it will be straight across the board babies to old people no holds barred then we might be told to wear a mask were ever you go

sorry, but the virus very much does respond to culture and living habits, as leicster, bradford etc al has demonstrated,

cultures and way of living that have high population density and multi-generation houses and people that have consumer facing jobs / work together in close confines, break distancing to have large weddings and funerals have much worse outcomes than communities that have been able to social distance and isloate from each other.

social distancing has and is working.

and it is not a 'killing virus'. it has an 20% mortality rate in the frail. a child is pretty much more in danger from choking on a chip than dying after contracting covid and theres a slow slope up from that age range.

and as for mutations, all the signs are that mutations that tend to not kill hosts before they are able to spread will dominate those that kills hosts before it spreads. italy have already reported this happening. there is little reason to expect covid to mutate to a more deadly strain, especially when people are socially distancing. the virus needs living, socialisng hosts. not dying in their bed, coughing their guts up and soon to be dead hosts. likely covid19 will join the other four corona virus strains we live with each year under the umbrella of common cold.

very few were calling for masks to be mandatory in march. the country did not have enough masks for medical use in march.

less scaremongering please.

 

[pabloescaban]

99% of the scaremongering is politically motivated.
Those who hate boris/tories are coming up with scare stories to suit their agenda...even though the other political parties agreed with all major decisions made during the crisis and would have done the same if they were in power

 

[teddybloat]

they are not above criticism.

their handling of care homes and prisons, in my opinion, has been negligent to the point of being cruel.

there's a groundswell on the left that want to be locked down and made to feel safe by the state - it's very palpable to me.

but i absolutely think it's right to hold the gov to account.

i think where they should be criticised is for inaction. perfect is the enemy of good in uncharted waters. i don't mind them not getting 100% things right in hindsight - its when there has been inaction and indecisiveness that i think they have got it badly wrong.

so often they've waited too long to issue guidance or make decisions and people and businesses have suffered.

 

[channelking]

99% of the scaremongering is politically motivated.
Those who hate boris/tories are coming up with scare stories to suit their agenda...even though the other political parties agreed with all major decisions made during the crisis and would have done the same if they were in power

Oh FFS man dont make this about baris and tories. Not everything is bloody politically motivated.

I HATE all parties and despise politics with a passion.

Anyone actually believe ANY politician has your best interests at heard are really deluded imo.

I care about human life and how it should have been prevented. Having correct equipment for the public should have bene brought in at the early stages of the virus.

Not sure how that is political.

 

[pabloescaban]

Oh FFS man dont make this about baris and tories. Not everything is bloody politically motivated.

I HATE all parties and despise politics with a passion.

Anyone actually believe ANY politician has your best interests at heard are really deluded imo.

I care about human life and how it should have been prevented. Having correct equipment for the public should have bene brought in at the early stages of the virus.

Not sure how that is political.

Having everything in place for a worldwide pandemic when everyone else in the world wants the exact same thing at the same time?
Are you familiar with the phrase, "does not compute"?

 

[channelking]

Having everything in place for a worldwide pandemic when everyone else in the world wants the exact same thing at the same time?
Are you familiar with the phrase, "does not compute"?

So no company in the UK could have mass produced masks when it needed during the worst period of the virus

 

[teddybloat]

So no company in the UK could have mass produced masks when it needed during the worst period of the virus

companies did respond rapidly where they were able, but i will argue you played a small part in preventing mask production here around march. i will lay it out at the end of the post.

but first you also have to factor international cooperation.

demand for masks far outstripped supply. so governments cooperated. when we where either side of our peak we shipped masks to countries that were in peak. and we were receivers when we were at peak and others had moved past peak. it's likely the reason our supply from china has been so reliable since they came out of their peak - we were a country that helped them at their peak

you were someone that advocated interfering with the price system and criticising price rises on goods like masks, gloves and hand sanitiser when we first went into lock down. i remember you had very strong words for anyone raising prices.

that prevented the price signals being sent to companies that would have retooled their equipment to make masks - as the increase in their price would have made it worth their while. as it was those signals never went out and retooling at time when the economy was likely to tank without the ability to increase prices meant that factory owner would have had to eat a loss at a time when the economy was at its most precarious. hence the price of masks may have well have been 20k a mask as non were available.

 

[pabloescaban]

No they couldn't because for the past forty years we've been getting masks from China just like every other country in the world.
Factories making cars and furniture can't go to making masks overnight