Leicester lockdown tightened

[channelking]

companies did respond rapidly where they were able, but i will argue you played a small part in preventing mask production here around march. i will lay it out at the end of the post.

but first you also have to factor international cooperation.

demand for masks far outstripped supply. so governments cooperated. when we where either side of our peak we shipped masks to countries that were in peak. and we were receivers when we were at peak and others had moved past peak. it's likely the reason our supply from china has been so reliable since they came out of their peak - we were a country that helped them at their peak

you were someone that advocated interfering with the price system and criticising price rises on goods like masks, gloves and hand sanitiser when we first went into lock down. i remember you had very strong words for anyone raising prices.

that prevented the price signals being sent to companies that would have retooled their equipment to make masks - as the increase in their price would have made it worth their while. as it was those signals never went out and retooling at time when the economy was likely to tank without the ability to increase prices meant that factory owner would have had to eat a loss at a time when the economy was at its most precarious. hence the price of masks may have well have been 20k a mask as non were available.

I am not going to go back on to prices issue.

My point then were how local shops were blatantly ripping people off at stupid prices to make more profits. While bigger shops didnt do a damn thing with prices.

 

[pupuqiop]

If they'd mandated masks in public in March then the British would be complaining, asking why they couldn't continue going about their normal lives as long as they slapped a bit of tissue paper across their gobs.

 

[teddybloat]

I am not going to go back on to prices issue.

My point then were how local shops were blatantly ripping people off at stupid prices to make more profits. While bigger shops didnt do a damn thing with prices.

and guess which stores ran out.

had prices increased then companies could have invested to meet the demand.

your attitude - prevalent through the uk - prevented supply. hell we may have even got supply from the international market had the stores been able to raise prices and therefore outbid stores in other countries on the international market

you ask why uk companies might not have invested money into retooling and making masks - well the attitude that meant no store could raise prices without a social media shit show would have put paid to that

 

[pabloescaban]

No no no.
We should sell masks for ten pee each like the Chinese masks.
UK workers get £10 an hour
Chinese workers get a bowl of rice a day and if they step out of line they get 20 years hard labour

 

[teddybloat]

the idea that profit is evil or that people are ripped of by being able to buy something for less than they are prepared to pay for it is one of the biggest barriers to progress as has been proved by shortages.

interfere with the price mechanism and you lose crucial information.

has been proven time and time again.

and here mr king slaughters people for increasing prices when demand outstrips supply and then wonders aloud why no-one invested money to meet the demand and why there were shortages. the chops needed to hold those two thoughts simultaneously i admire.

 

[pupuqiop]

Got three masks for about a tenner for for my kids, made by Adidas. A free one for me, made by Hype. A pack of 10 disposable ones for £1.60. You're talking absolute twaddle about prices here - you're just using it as an opportunity to shoehorn in the same boring old argument you've trotted out before.

 

[teddybloat]

Talking about at peak, when even care settings could not get masks and social media pile ons where being unleashed on small shop owners. Asking why UK producers could not make cheap masks is innane if you don't allow them to recoup investment through increased prices

Markets are working now and there's no scandal about different price points

Do you think if prices where limited to 10 for 1.60 addidas would be in the mask game?

Your post proves my point.

 

[pupuqiop]

social media pile ons where being unleashed on small shop owners.

Yeah you were shoehorning the argument into that situation too. Those shopkeepers who you implied cared about people so much that they priced things that were in short supply extortionately high to make sure people were looked after through coronavirus, are part of, nay - the very centre of, some of these communities where infection rates are causing concern. Still think they care so deeply about the greater good?

 

[teddybloat]

No they cared about profit. And so they should.

The market would have responded.

Expecting people to invest in meeting supply when they could not increase prices to cover that investment is ridiculous.

Time and time again we see that when prices are suppressed we have severe shortages.

When China was at its peak they were actually importing masks. So there was zero chance of people getting them in this county for what the 'correct' or moral price was.

People would have had to pay more, yet shops, as you again have proved are seen as harming the community if they charge more.

Crazy.

 

[pabloescaban]

I've said it before and I'll say it again

 

[loncell]

Yep, scare mongering fake news all that. 20% mortality rate "I'm ok Jack" doesn't wash with me.

For now, you think it will never get worse ?. There are confirmed reports not by me or Geoff who does the windows but by medical journels that Covid has already started to mutate and there are a number of variants already appearing out there.

It ain't scare mongering when you bury a relative its real life. Just because you and I survived this time round doesn't mean we'll be so lucky next time. Vaccine? 18 years on with SARS still no vaccine nor one for the common cold, Covids ugly cousin.

I think it's down to deforestation and the eating into jungles around the world. We are coming into contact with animals we really shouldn't be anywere near. Certain countries like Papa New Guinea eat monkeys as tradition to give them power and strength and nothing to do with hunger.

Once you meddle with ecosystems that have happily chugged along for alot longer than the human race has been around you will come into contact with animals and plant life that carry all sorts of nasties that in turn will cross over to humans via animals.

Read up on monkey pox, viruses are changing far far quicker and learning each time a virus is found. Dont be like an American Trumper debunking it, its here, its killing and it can and will only get worse unless we find a cure.
Once a virus has adapted to the point were it's highly contagious and begins to infect and kill all ages not just the old and vunerable if will be like standing at the back of a 737 engine then throwing a barrow full of cow sh1t in it

 

[teddybloat]

Mutations that don't kill hosts will perform better than mutations that do.

The virus needs a host who is socialising.

We may not need a cure. We live with 4 seasonal Corona virus strains already : we call them the common cold.

Covid could easily go that way. Indeed doctors in Italy have reported that covid19 has lost potency.

And the low mortality rate is not fake news. It's published fact across studies, governments and personal experience.

Your deforestation and killer mutation doomsday "theories", however...

 

[loncell]

But they are true,
I think you've been "Donald Trumped" big time fake news all lies syndrome pmsl, calm down and pour yourself another glass of
You Can Still Shop These Coronavirus-Killing Disinfectants

 

[teddybloat]

Not often following scientific consensus is conflated with following the views of Donald trump, but the internet is full of surprises, so I thank you for that.

Keep drinking the kool aid, brother

 

[loncell]

Trump on bro,

 

[teddybloat]

you should watch the film contagion.

you do a great jude law impression.

like i read your posts in with that character's energy in mind.

it's uncanny

 

[loncell]

Here goes Top Trumper

https://imgur.com/q5cQ6c0

Yeah Jude Law wtf lol

 

[teddybloat]

I advocate wearing masks and believe shops should have asked people to wear them earlier than they did.

 

[loncell]

Agree, Gov fcuked up

 

[channelking]

Couldnt have said it any better. Spot on what he said.

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=10215179072463637