i agree i dont either, it was just annoying yesterday as in always whatapping friends and family and 3 of the goals in the chelsea game were notified to me before i saw them on my IPTV which was a minute behind, i jst found it really frustrating, wouldnt even mind the german sky sports for the picture and 5 live on in the background or something, my view is if i can get it all done within 100/150 quid (inc the extra Lnb, diseq, the bracket thing) its a good backup to have for a year or 2 (while it lasts). Currently my IPTV is 16 quid for 3 months and 2 sky lines are a tenner for the year. Once VM goes (currently pay £25 for 6months) will have 50quid saved to put towards the 19.2 set up anyways.