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Omicron

I've had the 'MSM' 24H news channels on for a few days, Sky, BBC etc, no mention of the 'new variant'.
Caught half a glimpse of it on some cheesy news feed on Google yesterday, ignored it.
It's almost as if these Twitterati are creating their own headlines to ridicule.
Scraping Google for snippets that no one has heard of or cares about and then proclaiming that 'the media are scaremongering' ERM, no they're not, that's what you are trying to do by implying the media have a hidden agenda
 
channelking said:
Seems its easier to deny factual information that's been said by those in the know how and actual experts than agreeing with such points made.
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People would rather believe media outlets that have an agenda than actual scientists and statisticians.. 🤷

pupuqiop said:
That's still a conspiracy theory though.
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You can call it whatever you want, I don't believe it was.. if we had of been locked down (to save the NHS) when only 5% of hospitals were full of Covid patients, what other reason would there be to lock us down other than trying to force people to get jabbed when it makes no difference to transmission? That IS coercion. It's not a conspiracy. But as I said it didn't happen because it wasn't warranted.
 
if your a doctor or nurse and refused to be jabbed go work on the bins were your outside and safer.
HiTecK said:
Agreed! You've finally admitted it. You can stop calling for Nurses and Doctors to be fired then now?
Stop making out it's entirely the fault of the unvaccinated that we get locked down?

For eg. One of many...
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You're vaccinated so you're safe. Stop preaching to others that don't want it. It's what I've always said.

As for people now saying they never said it prevents you getting it, bullsh!t. Don't make me look back through these threads and quote your posts because it's been said numerous times.
The vaccine manufacturers have been saying it from the start, and officials have been relaying it from the start too. It's what started this "them and us" hate between the vaccinated and unvaccinated. It's what gave people a right to call for Drs/Nurses/carers jobs.
It's what's been used to push vaccine passports. If there's no difference between the two then there's no need for any of these measures.
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By that statement I mean, say I take ill cancer, heart, whatever it may be and we go down the unvaccinated route then the hospital beds are with Covid patients and my op or treatment will be cancelled which is currently happening. so I stand by my statement why should I be punsihed for people who can't be arsed so thanks for making it nice and bold and showing it again, thanks buddy :)


If your a doctor or nurse and refuse the jab while working in a hospital then go and work on the bins were your safer and outdoors if a doctor or a nurse contract Covid and need hospital treatment then you have basically added to the problem of unvaccinated people unnecessarily taking a bed that could be used elsewere. Having the vaccination in the majority stops you from you having to go into hospital, ffs isn't this why we all banged pans !!!. It also shortens the timescale you are infectious which can only help to try and lessen the spread of Covid.

Having the vaccine lessens the numbers needing hospital beds taken up mainly with unvaccinated Covid patience and the mortuary. Not once have I ever said you wont catch Covid if you have had the jab. Any doctor or nurse who don't believe in medicines/vaccines that are clearly saving lifes are in the wrong profession. If they refuse and need hospital treatment themselves like I said previously any unvaccinated person in the UK should be made to contribute to the cost if they need hospital treatment. This vaccine is all about stopping people needing hospital treatment from Covid therefor your aunt or grandma can have their long awaited heart bypass or cancer op.

get it ??
I'm sick of saying it now. You can shout sh1t about this that or the other but the proofs in the pudding, numbers.
look how many died while in lockdown at the very beginning before the vaccine

then look how many have died right now now no lockdown and with a vaccine.

Can you imagine the hospital admission numbers and deaths would be without a vaccine right now ???

So paint it how you want vaccines are to help lessen the burden on the NHS. There here to stop our NHS from been overwhelmed with people needing help due to having Covid. Just one more thing while I'm on it. There's people who are saying "More people are in hospital with Covid and are vaccinated !!"
true
but
there's a difference between going into hospital "WITH" Covid and going in "BECAUSE" of Covid. So example , say you go in with abdominal pain lets say appendicitis and test positive while in you are listed as admitted with Covid but in truth you don't need any treatment for Covid you need your appendix removing but your still put down as been in hospital with Covid.

When the ward doctor comes on my TV at a huge local hospital and says the vast majority on his Covid ward "needing" help are unvaccinated I believe him not someone living in Donald Trumpton town and their theory from the US of gunwelding A that the press at every level are plotting against you.

You believe what you want I'm not here to convince anyone that vaccines are the way forward. If you want to believe in big bro and conspiracy theorist then I reckon you should sign a form to say you don't believe so when a beds needed for you your put to the bottom of the list. I'm not really arsed if you want to be vaccinated fill yer boots but if you cause the death of someone waiting for a cancer op who's had his appointment knocked back because your in due to Covid then I am tbh.

Grow up get jabbed shut up , rant over
 
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HiTecK said:
People would rather believe media outlets that have an agenda than actual scientists and statisticians.. 🤷


You can call it whatever you want, I don't believe it was.. if we had of been locked down (to save the NHS) when only 5% of hospitals were full of Covid patients, what other reason would there be to lock us down other than trying to force people to get jabbed when it makes no difference to transmission? That IS coercion. It's not a conspiracy. But as I said it didn't happen because it wasn't warranted.
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Can I ask you this, why did so many die at the beginning of Covid and while in strict lockdown and why has this not happened now over the busiest holiday time of the year with millions more contracting Covid and a free for all no lockdown ?
 
loncell said:
if a doctor or a nurse contract Covid and need hospital treatment then you have basically added to the problem of unvaccinated people unnecessarily taking a bed that could be used elsewere.
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Obese people with Covid are nearly 3 times as likely to end up in intensive care so they should be made to lose weight because if they weren't so fat they wouldn't be taking up those beds and holding up other people's operations.

They chose to eat too much like people choose to not have the vaccine... It's a personal choice.. this is what you sound like.

loncell said:
When the ward doctor comes on my TV at a huge local hospital and says the vast majority on his Covid ward "needing" help are unvaccinated I believe him not someone living in Donald Trumpton
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Again you're being silly. What does trump have to do with statistics provided by our own government. I've said it before, the stats are fact, not what a doctor says on one hospital ward. But we've already gone over this and it's obviously not sinking in.

loncell said:
Can I ask you this, why did so many die at the beginning of Covid and while in strict lockdown and why has this not happened now over the busiest holiday time of the year with millions more contracting Covid and a free for all no lockdown
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Because the vaccine helps prevent death and Omicron is weaker. I think we've already been through this too several times. It's doesn't stop transmission hence the daily figures.

What that should tell you is that if you're vaccinated (like me), you should be safe. Not always, but much greater than the unvacinated. The difference between me and you is that I respect EVERYONE'S right to choose if they want to take it. No one should be forced or threatened with their job. Like if obese people want to continue filling their faces and they contract Covid, they deserve the same amount of care as a skinny vaccinated person. Your reasoning suggests otherwise.

loncell said:
Grow up get jabbed shut up
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loncell said:
I'm sick of saying it now. You can shout sh1t
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I'm not shouting shit, I'm having a grown up debate nor will I shut up, especially on a forum I own. I suggest if you cannot debate without being civil, don't take part.
 
HiTecK said:
No one should be forced or threatened with their job.
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What if by choosing not to have the vaccine, due to the nature of their work, they're required to isolate for 20% of the time they're paid to be in work and recieve full pay when isolating, leaving their employer short staffed or faced with paying an extra wage out to replace them?

Maybe people in the health care profession need to be realistic and if they don't want to be vaccinated, that's fine, but the time has come for a change of career?
 
pupuqiop said:
What if by choosing not to have the vaccine, due to the nature of their work, they're required to isolate for 20% of the time they're paid to be in work and recieve full pay when isolating, leaving their employer short staffed or faced with paying an extra wage out to replace them?

Maybe people in the health care profession need to be realistic and if they don't want to be vaccinated, that's fine, but the time has come for a change of career?
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You make a good point but being as vaccine doesn't seem to be making a difference to people contracting it, it's going to be the similar for either vaccinated or unvacinated. They'll both need time off. They're also not taking into account those that have already had Covid and have natural immunity which doesn't make sense.

I don't think the gov will go through with it myself but who knows. If they do they're going to lose tens of thousands of qualified staff and those crying that their operations have been pushed back and yet agree with this have only themselves to blame.
 
What I don’t get is you get people saying they won’t have the vaccine ect as they don’t know what’s in it which they have a point to decide to have or not
But yet these people will soon go to drs when they get chest infections sinus problems the list can go on and get meds to help with the problems although no one truly knows what’s in antibiotics ect.
My sister for one is a complete melt (lol) she thinks when farmers are spraying the crops she thinks there spraying covid all over but yet when she has issues with her sinuses she runs to drs for meds so I asked her do you know what’s in your meds her reply was NO but your taking something you know nothing about🤣🤣🤣
 
Brother and his mrs contracted the new variant after having all 3 jabs and done all precuations they were meant to, Qurantined for 7 days I think it is now.

Point is no matter how many variant keep coming and how many booster and other jabs they will say will be required it wont stop the possibility of you getting covid even where you are vaccinated.

Sure you have more protection especially from death where your vaccinated compared to those who arent. But if you have had one jab or couple of jabs then imo that would suffice as you have protection.

Just getting the booster and so on and so on because BOJO plasters it on his conferences wont really affect me or others who have already had the early jabs.
 
channelking said:
Brother and his mrs contracted the new variant after having all 3 jabs and done all precuations they were meant to, Qurantined for 7 days I think it is now.

Point is no matter how many variant keep coming and how many booster and other jabs they will say will be required it wont stop the possibility of you getting covid even where you are vaccinated.

Sure you have more protection especially from death where your vaccinated compared to those who arent. But if you have had one jab or couple of jabs then imo that would suffice as you have protection.

Just getting the booster and so on and so on because BOJO plasters it on his conferences wont really affect me or others who have already had the early jabs.
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It will because the protection wanes after a relatively short period.
Eg, one jab may give you 70% protection, a second will up this to 85%.
After ten weeks of your second, this has dropped by 10% and continues to drop.
Anyone who has had only one jab last spring is probably down to about 30-40% protected.

I can't see what the fuss is about, what difference does it make if you need a jab every three months? - it's about as difficult as going for a crap.
 
Was listening to a podcast that made a good point. Supposedly omicron is working as a natural vaccine to all, due to its high infection rate but low severity. The mutation helps build up antibodies which are stronger than any vaccine possibly could without all the potential risks
 
jigger121 said:
Was listening to a podcast that made a good point. Supposedly omicron is working as a natural vaccine to all, due to its high infection rate but low severity. The mutation helps build up antibodies which are stronger than any vaccine possibly could without all the potential risks
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I said this back on page 2. Fingers crossed 🤞.

HiTecK said:
Omicron is weak imo if this is the result. It shows a higher transmissibility with much fewer deaths. This could be a blessing. More people catch it with fewer deaths which hopefully will result in more people developing natural immunity.
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jigger121 said:
Was listening to a podcast that made a good point. Supposedly omicron is working as a natural vaccine to all, due to its high infection rate but low severity. The mutation helps build up antibodies which are stronger than any vaccine possibly could without all the potential risks
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It’s supposed to give you annuity to the delta variant also to what dr John Campbell mentioned on a video missus was watching
 
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