Covid-19 the second wave

mate i'm pissing about on a forum.

i'm not calling for someone to lose their job, nor slightly emotional.

this topic will mean nothing in a couple of weeks
 
OK fair enough but your posts come across as over emotional. Your apparent lack of empathy is also very hard to understand given the sector you work in.
 
i've seen plenty of people able to say goodbye, including personally opening the door to a couple who had travelled 50 miles to be with their loved one at the end and spent the night with her.

ensuring care for a son is pretty basic and yet people think it the actions of an indefensible man.

so strange.

tiny tears imo.

Yes care home you work at.

Not the case with vast majority of care homes that's for sure.

So stop putting all of them in the same bracket.
 
Coronavirus victims to get 'right to say goodbye' after boy, 13, died alone

This article is dated the 15th April. It's clear that up until this point it was absolutely the Government's wish that people could not have family members present when dying from COVID-19. This article details Hancock's regret at the situation and intent to make changes. So to insinuate that anyone who wasn't with a loved one through their own choice or through misunderstanding of the guidance is clearly incorrect
 
i tend not to have empathy for those weaponising grief for clout which is what is happening in a lot of cases.

i have great empathy for the people in my care. and i've been on the front line looking after the most vulnerable in the face of government decisions and indecision that has caused untold harm for the people i look after. that i will get emotional about. i've contracted covid and not seen my own parents or neices and nephews, so yes i have skin in the game and every reason to be angry if i felt someone in power was mugging me off.

but a manufactured tantrum, driven by ideology? nah. sorry. this won't matter a jot in a week or so. completely fake outrage. if it were real similar vexation would be directed at labour MPs who have done far worse in breaking lockdown. but it isn't so something else is going on and it is interesting to me.

i was critical of both sides of the debate before cummings statement. felt everyone too sure based not on their knowledge, but their politics.

now one side is in the middle of a monumental strop and it's amusing / perplexing and piques my interest.
 
Coronavirus victims to get 'right to say goodbye' after boy, 13, died alone

This article is dated the 15th April. It's clear that up until this point it was absolutely the Government's wish that people could not have family members present when dying from COVID-19. This article details Hancock's regret at the situation and intent to make changes. So to insinuate that anyone who wasn't with a loved one through their own choice or through misunderstanding of the guidance is clearly incorrect


literally in the article

"
For care homes, new guidance was issued today reiterating guidance that already existed - that visits can happen for end-of-life care.

It was less clear how the situation has changed in hospitals, such as the one where 13-year-old Ismail died alone.

A spokesperson for the Department of Health and Social Care told the Mirror: "This action plan covers visits to care homes but existing NHS guidance sets out how people can remain in contact with their loved ones at the end of their lives."

"

also note, guidance not legislation.
 
Your not boverd but your like Cummins lawyer, the point is is that he broke the rules, that's the whole debate we have had, its regardless the circumstances beings as millions have gone through the same thing, and as pupuqiop said, many funerals missed, many people can't say goodbye to family as this was not allowed bcuz the government put a stop to it yet government officials can do what they want, doesn't matter how anyone looks at this, he has fundamentaly shit on all the people like del who lost his mom in April, and the people who have died alone with no family with them
 
i was critical of both sides of the debate before cummings statement. felt everyone too sure based not on their knowledge, but their politics.

now one side is in the middle of a monumental strop and it's amusing / perplexing and piques my interest.

I entered this conversation on neither side of the debate but can see two viewpoints to it. But you, you're claiming to be acting rationally and logically and that everyone on the alternative side of the debate has lost their head when from what I can see you're the one acting most hysterically here. You're the one expressing the most extreme views and going to the biggest lengths to force your opinion onto others. You're belittling and patronising people and until your empathy was directly called into question, you displayed none at all - even when someone in the conversation relayed the tragic news that his mother had passed you offered not a single word of condolence or regret.

You're the extremist. It matters more to you.
 
I entered this conversation on neither side of the debate but can see two viewpoints to it. But you, you're claiming to be acting rationally and logically and that everyone on the alternative side of the debate has lost their head when from what I can see you're the one acting most hysterically here. You're the one expressing the most extreme views and going to the biggest lengths to force your opinion onto others. You're belittling and patronising people and until your empathy was directly called into question, you displayed none at all - even when someone in the conversation relayed the tragic news that his mother had passed you offered not a single word of condolence or regret.

You're the extremist. It matters more to you.
Could not of said it better myself!!
 
I entered this conversation on neither side of the debate but can see two viewpoints to it. But you, you're claiming to be acting rationally and logically and that everyone on the alternative side of the debate has lost their head when from what I can see you're the one acting most hysterically here. You're the one expressing the most extreme views and going to the biggest lengths to force your opinion onto others. You're belittling and patronising people and until your empathy was directly called into question, you displayed none at all - even when someone in the conversation relayed the tragic news that his mother had passed you offered not a single word of condolence or regret.

You're the extremist. It matters more to you.

i've mainly only read the posts that i have been notified of tbf, and i'm not one for offering condolences anyway to strangers on message boards. sorry about that chief - well i'm not sorry but its a platitude i guess. which makes some people happy apparently...

love also how stating my opinion is forcing it onto others, apparently something that doesn't apply to your good self or people who agree with you?

i do believe the outrage is ideologically driven which is why people haven't criticised labour mps for more flagrant breaches. i couldnt care less about people deciding what level of risk is appropriate for themselves and their families. i barely knew who cummings was before this and i did not find him to be an impressve man, and as i have said the excuse he had for the trip to the castle was an obvious lie and quite pathetic.

but booing into the sky, calling for people to lose their jobs for forgettably mild reasons and throwing tantrums is exactly the sort of thing that might make me use 5-10 mins to poke fun at whilst im waiting for the computer to crunch some sims for me.

all this written here, like the scandal will be forgotten in a week.
 
i've mainly only read the posts that i have been notified of tbf, and i'm not one for offering condolences anyway to strangers on message boards. sorry about that chief - well i'm not sorry but its a platitude i guess. which makes some people happy apparently...

love also how stating my opinion is forcing it onto others, apparently something that doesn't apply to your good self or people who agree with you?

i do believe the outrage is ideologically driven which is why people haven't criticised labour mps for more flagrant breaches. i couldnt care less about people deciding what level of risk is appropriate for themselves and their families. i barely knew who cummings was before this and i did not find him to be an impressve man, and as i have said the excuse he had for the trip to the castle was an obvious lie and quite pathetic.

but booing into the sky, calling for people to lose their jobs for forgettably mild reasons and throwing tantrums is exactly the sort of thing that might make me use 5-10 mins to poke fun at whilst im waiting for the computer to crunch some sims for me.

all this written here, like the scandal will be forgotten in a week.

Kinda sad and distasteful how you view things.

Doesn't matter if it's the virtual world or real world. Showing empathy and respect to someone who has lost a loved one shows that you actually have feelings. Not sure you do from your posts.

Your the one who keeps bringing politics into all this.

Nothing to do with politics. I learnt my lesson with these politicians and how they are mostly all the same no matter the party. But some are much much worse and having someone as powerful as Cummings blatantly disregard restrictions because of his status just shows the broken and corrupt system we are living under.
 
Medical reasons.

That's it.

Restrictions didn't apply and still don't apply to medical reasons.

Any argument is moot once you accept that.
If you can't accept that it was a medical reason, both parents having covid19, and seeking specialist childcare from a known family member, then that is your problem but it still doesn't change the fact that no rules were broken
 
Kinda sad and distasteful how you view things.

Doesn't matter if it's the virtual world or real world. Showing empathy and respect to someone who has lost a loved one shows that you actually have feelings. Not sure you do from your posts.

Respect yes, empathy yes.


Takes a lot to make me cry, brother.
Medical reasons.

That's it.

Restrictions didn't apply and still don't apply to medical reasons.

Any argument is moot once you accept that.
If you can't accept that it was a medical reason, both parents having covid19, and seeking specialist childcare from a known family member, then that is your problem but it still doesn't change the fact that no rules were broken

But but, Boris. Sick people, erm, fight the power, Tories, erm we shall not be moved, sick nurses, er, Boris went to Eaton, erm could they have dropped the kid off at kennels or summat, mmm, he's rich, like richer than me erm, boo for Boris, clap for nurses and boo Boris to stop nurses from getting covid.
 
At the end of the day he isn't the first mp or he won't be the last mp to break any rules and get away with it, if I break any rules at work I would probably be looking for another job within a week.
 
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