Covid19 Vaccination

[TheSource]

I agree because the 45,000 people who have had it without any side effects could have all been fibbing.

Also the fact that it may not stop people spreading it is a big nono.

If they get it they should be allowed to spread it at will.

If everyone else, or most of them have also been vaccinated, what difference does it make whether they still pass it on or not?

Yeah but what happens if the Vaccine causes Babies to be born with Cerebral Palsy down the line? For arguments sake. Unlikely. However, the Vaccine hasn’t been proven for long term effects.

45,000 people probably are not fibbing. But who knows several years down the line?

Only 3 months ago Scientists and Governments were telling us to all go back to Pubs and pushing 2 for 1 deals until that caused another sh!t storm. They have barely been competent at making correct decisions at the best of times.

The Vaccine has only been tested in the short run. No one knows the long term effects. There's a good chance nothing negative would happen but I can see people’s apprehension.

Let's not forget only a decade or so ago this UK Banned Co-proxamol. Scientists can get sh!t wrong in the long term.....

 

[pabloescaban]

Yeah but what happens if the Vaccine causes Babies to be born with Cerebral Palsy down the line? For arguments sake. Unlikely. However, the Vaccine hasn’t been proven for long term effects.

45,000 people probably are not fibbing. But who knows several years down the line?

Only 3 months ago Scientists and Governments were telling us to all go back to Pubs and pushing 2 for 1 deals until that caused another sh!t storm. They have barely been competent at making correct decisions at the best of times.

The Vaccine has only been tested in the short run. No one knows the long term effects. There's a good chance nothing negative would happen but I can see people’s apprehension.

Pregnant women don't get the vaccine.
And if they did it's not a drug that can cause deformities and such likes. It's a piece of information that your own body then uses to build up resistance to the actual virus

 

[TheSource]

Pregnant women don't get the vaccine.
And if they did it's not a drug that can cause deformities and such likes. It's a piece of information that your own body then uses to build up resistance to the actual virus

I was speaking hypothetically.

Woman can take the drug now and fall pregnant several years from now. The Scientists state that it doesn’t cause deformities etc. They also thought the same about a drug called Thalidomide. That was made to build up the body’s resistance to bacterial Viruses. Google Image ‘Thalidomide Children’ and see what happened to them.

Contrary to the fact, I’m using this as just one example.

There's obviously a very high chance the Vaccine will be perfectly fine in the long term. However, you’re a fool if you believe anything that comes from the horse’s mouth. Also, naive if you can’t understand peoples apprehension.

 

[teddybloat]

I'm booked for 10.30 sat.

Tbh I used to shovel enough class As and military grade hallucinogenics into my body on a weekend I'm more worried about the vaccine being fucked up by my physiology than the other way around.

 

[coozer]

my missus has had covid and I didnt catch it

 

[pabloescaban]

I was speaking hypothetically.

Woman can take the drug now and fall pregnant several years from now. The Scientists state that it doesn’t cause deformities etc. They also thought the same about a drug called Thalidomide. That was made to build up the body’s resistance to bacterial Viruses. Google Image ‘Thalidomide Children’ and see what happened to them.

Contrary to the fact, I’m using this as just one example.

There's obviously a very high chance the Vaccine will be perfectly fine in the long term. However, you’re a fool if you believe anything that comes from the horse’s mouth. Also, naive if you can’t understand peoples apprehension.

Thalidomide was used for one thing and caused something terrible to occur, this is because it hadn't been tested. It wasn't a vaccine it was a drug, vaccines aren't drugs, they either work or they don't. When flu type vaccines work, they don't work long term and will require regular boosters

 

[TheSource]

Thalidomide was used for one thing and caused something terrible to occur, this is because it hadn't been tested. It wasn't a vaccine it was a drug, vaccines aren't drugs, they either work or they don't. When flu type vaccines work, they don't work long term and will require regular boosters

Yes it was used for one thing and caused something terrible to occur because it hadn't been tested. Exactly my point.

 

[pabloescaban]

Yes it was used for one thing and caused something terrible to occur. Exactly my point. Also Vaccines are drugs lol.

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Vaccines aren't drugs as such even though they can be classified as drugs they have no formula like conventional drugs, they aren't a medication. They usually contain dead or alive viruses but newer ones have either DNA or RNA instead. In all cases they are to 'use' the hosts own immune system to create antibodies
That's what this one does

 

[TheSource]

Vaccines aren't drugs as such even though they can be classified as drugs they have no formula like conventional drugs, they aren't a medication. They usually contain dead or alive viruses but newer ones have either DNA or RNA instead. In all cases they are to 'use' the hosts own immune system to create antibodies
That's what this one does

Vaccines, like 'drugs', can cause adverse events. Vaccines and drugs both have the potential for interaction with a disease, drugs and other vaccines. Vaccines and drugs all have to comply with standards of safety, quality and “efficacy". Above all else long term testing. The latter is the basis of this arguement. Regardless, I'm on the fence. It's swings and roundabouts. Like i've said I can understand people for and against the Vaccine.

 

[teddybloat]

What if for argments sake it causes cerebral paulsy?

That is a ridiculous question.

There is no indication this class of drugs can causes that. I'm all for scepticism, but to randomly associate conditions with the vaccine with a blithe "well, what if..." Is the sort of illiterate non sequitur - i won't validate it with the words reasoning or thinking - shit posting that causes hysteria.

What if it causes your children to be musical geniuses, or gives immunity to cancer randomly?

 

[pabloescaban]

Vaccines, like 'drugs', can cause adverse events. Vaccines and drugs both have the potential for interaction with a disease, drugs and other vaccines. Vaccines and drugs all have to comply with standards of safety, quality and “efficacy". Above all else long term testing. The latter is the basis of this arguement. Regardless, I'm on the fence. It's swings and roundabouts. Like i've said I can understand people for and against the Vaccine.

If 50-60% of people get vaccinated that should be enough to see off this current outbreak.
If those under 50 don't get vaccinated it probably won't overwhelm the NHS.
If there's not enough uptake of the vaccine then this situation were in now will become permanent.
Luckily this virus only kills less than 1% of infected people.
If the next pandemic, and there will be one, is more virulent and more deadly, like just a few percent of people dying from it then I think that will see off society as we know it.

The old story of 'machines overthrowing humanity' may have already begun, technology works both ways, it has given us cures and vaccines but it also allows groups of people to spread misinformation and lies which end up killing people. If the next pandemic has a death rate of 15-20% that's the end of humanity given that by then there will be so much misinformation that no one will know what's real or fake

 

[TheSource]

What if for argments sake it causes cerebral paulsy?

That is a ridiculous question.

There is no indication this class of drugs can causes that. I'm all for scepticism, but to randomly associate conditions with the vaccine with a blithe "well, what if..." Is the sort of illiterate non sequitur - i won't validate it with the words reasoning or thinking - shit posting that causes hysteria.

What if it causes your children to be musical geniuses, or gives immunity to cancer randomly?

You breezed past the part where I said I was being hypothetical.

I could have used any example. I could have said it could cause immunity to cancer it’s all hypothetical at the end of the day.

In my previous post I said we could end up looking like the walking dead lol

I also stated we could all be fine and the vaccine will be just fine. I can just see both sides of the argument.

I’m not here to promote hysteria anyone with half a brain can rationalise with both sides.

Without clear long term evidence we are all stuck in limbo with both for and against reasons for taking the Vaccine. Only time will tell.

 

[channelking]

If 50-60% of people get vaccinated that should be enough to see off this current outbreak.
If those under 50 don't get vaccinated it probably won't overwhelm the NHS.
If there's not enough uptake of the vaccine then this situation were in now will become permanent.
Luckily this virus only kills less than 1% of infected people.
If the next pandemic, and there will be one, is more virulent and more deadly, like just a few percent of people dying from it then I think that will see off society as we know it.

The old story of 'machines overthrowing humanity' may have already begun, technology works both ways, it has given us cures and vaccines but it also allows groups of people to spread misinformation and lies which end up killing people. If the next pandemic has a death rate of 15-20% that's the end of humanity given that by then there will be so much misinformation that no one will know what's real or fake

Not doubting there will potentially be another pandemic, potentially a even more deadly one.

But at the same time there maybe vaccines available at that time if such a virus with a high death rate ever comes to existence.

You breezed past the part where I said I was being hypothetical.

I could have used any example. I could have said it could cause immunity to cancer it’s all hypothetical at the end of the day.

In my previous post I said we could end up looking like the walking dead lol

I also stated we could all be fine and the vaccine will be just fine. I can just see both sides of the argument.

I’m not here to promote hysteria anyone with half a brain can rationalise with both sides.

Without clear long term evidence we are all stuck in limbo with both for and against reasons for taking the Vaccine. Only time will tell.

Its the conspiracy theories of some people have said to me that annoys me. Mainly Gates is behind it or there is something malicious in the vaccine etc.

I have no issues with people have genuine reasonable reasons for not wanting to take the vaccine and understandable why some maybe apprehensive.

I also believe despite the tests done its still has been rushed and short term everything maybe dandy but its inevitable there will be some of side effects long term, question is what side effects.

 

[TheSource]

Its the conspiracy theories of some people have said to me that annoys me. Mainly Gates is behind it or there is something malicious in the vaccine etc.

I have no issues with people have genuine reasonable reasons for not wanting to take the vaccine and understandable why some maybe apprehensive.

I also believe despite the tests done its still has been rushed and short term everything maybe dandy but its inevitable there will be some of side effects long term, question is what side effects.

Exactly mate. Majority of people fear the longevity of the Vaccine purely based on it being a new Vaccine. Which is perfectly understandable. IMO.

 

[channelking]

Exactly mate. Majority of people fear the longevity of the Vaccine purely based on it being a new Vaccine. Which is perfectly understandable. IMO.

Also which is inevitable is the continuous doses that will be required. It wont be one dose and thats it.

 

[steptoe]

I won't be getting it, but, that's because I already have the antibodies ,
I work overseas and due to my job I had to be tested and prove negative, it came back I had the antibodies, so for me to get the vaccine would be a waste of a vaccine for someone that needed it.
Otherwise I would get the vaccine.

 

[pabloescaban]

Without clear long term evidence we are all stuck in limbo with both for and against reasons for taking the Vaccine. Only time will tell.

How long is it preferred that we wait?
It's been up and running for many months and tested on many thousands of people...this is after lots of other testing BEFORE it ever went into anyone's arm.
Then it was reviewed by several independent bodies and then it went for approval.
Lots of the 800,000 first batch are already floating around in people's bloodstreams but perhaps we should hang back another few years.
So it's not 'rushed'

 

[teddybloat]

You breezed past the part where I said I was being hypothetical.

I could have used any example. I could have said it could cause immunity to cancer it’s all hypothetical at the end of the day.

In my previous post I said we could end up looking like the walking dead lol

I also stated we could all be fine and the vaccine will be just fine. I can just see both sides of the argument.

I’m not here to promote hysteria anyone with half a brain can rationalise with both sides.

Without clear long term evidence we are all stuck in limbo with both for and against reasons for taking the Vaccine. Only time will tell.

But it's not a coin flip.

This vaccine has gone through all the clinical trials any vaccine goes through and is from a family of vaccines with a track record.

Some took only 2 days to make as the process is so established.

Hypothetically it could have the side effect of curing bowel cancer.

Expect that's just made up.

Presenting it as a drug that may or may not cause effects like Parkinson's without even attempting to weight the two outcomes is incredibly lazy at best

 

[pupuqiop]

How long is it preferred that we wait?

That's the whole point, it's a personal preference with each person entitled to decide if and when they've got sufficient trust in the vaccine. Nobody is saying that you should wait, just that they may chose to wait, as is their right.

 

[pabloescaban]

I meant in regards to the claims that it has been 'rushed'. It's been sat on for the past 8 months and people are still saying it's rushed.
If we store it in a warehouse for a few years would that make it any different as it would then have taken them 3 years to release the vaccine.
Even though it's still the same vaccine developed in January of this year.
I have the feeling that even if it took 5 years there would still be scepticism so they may as well release it now