Covid19 Vaccination

[RapidDevil]

You can dress it up whatever way you like, at the end of the day we all have the right to refuse

Nobody said you didn't mate. The vaccine will not be mandatory and it shouldn't be either.

pfizer is one of the largest drug companies on the planet and one of the most corrupt ,they have been buying there way for years ,

If you don't like Pfizer, Astrazeneca are operating on a not for profit basis during the pandemic. Developed of course by a University, not the private sector. Due to the cost and logistics, this will be the main vaccine deployed throughout the UK and the world I believe.

refusing to a vaccine that has yet to be proven safe

It has been proven safe up to however long the trials stated, so let's say 6-9 months. Science is very advanced in this area, the way the vaccine's work i.e. training the immune system to produce t cells/antibodies etc and being prepared for the covid spike protein - there's nothing scientific or within logic that would suggest any long term side effects. It's like getting a cold and having an immune system ready to fight it off the next time. The approval has been given by an independent body that are publishing all data and recommendations. If you think you know better than these people, that have spent their entire careers in this field, that's up to you.

what is selfish is letting your families buy into this, who knows how it will affect them down the line

Let's look at the current situation. I would imagine we can at least agree we have a big problem at the moment. The economy is in pieces and will continue to get worse with more lockdowns, furlough and borrowing. Your family and mine will be paying for this for generations. Can you recall the hardship that austerity caused? Now consider how much more we've borrowed during the pandemic than we saved through austerity.

At the end of the day we all collectively have a problem. There are those that will try to do something about it and those that will let everyone else solve the problem. Which of those people fall into the 'selfish' category, we can each have our own opinions on that.

 

[pupuqiop]

people have becom oblivious the everything around them , the very reason the greater population are so easy led up the garden path.

I'm thankful that the vaccine is the last throw of the dice for the conspiracy theorists. Think back over the pandemic - it was man made in a lab in China, it was a government plot to control population, it's no worse than the flu, you can inject bleach into your veins to cure it, schools have been closed and people are being forced to wear masks as a measure to exert control. People who are "easily led up the garden path" are people like you who subscribe to every myth going. People who latch onto every nonsensical theory they come across while desperately trawling the net for nonsensical theories to latch onto.

I wonder what carnage Bill Gates is causing with his microchipped army of vaccinated zombies right now?

 

[teddybloat]

The vaccines have been through all the normal testing processes. Nothing has been cut. It's simply been speeded up.

Some have been in testing since January.

 

[bazcfc1]

It's everyone's rights to an opinion on the matter whether they will they won't get vaccinated ect that's 1000% your choice at the end of the day.
There has been major conspiracy over the vaccine as rightly pointed out in a post further up I know I would take the vaccine to protect me and my family and loves ones but this isn't a pop at anyone who said they won't have the vaccine but 90% of those that don't have the vaccine and contract it will cry like bitches when the NHS is having to deal with them and loved ones who it maybe a worser outcome for.
You can't only think of yourself in this scenario imo.

 

[RapidDevil]

It's everyone's rights to an opinion on the matter whether they will they won't get vaccinated ect that's 1000% your choice at the end of the day.
There has been major conspiracy over the vaccine as rightly pointed out in a post further up I know I would take the vaccine to protect me and my family and loves ones but this isn't a pop at anyone who said they won't have the vaccine but 90% of those that don't have the vaccine and contract it will cry like bitches when the NHS is having to deal with them and loved ones who it maybe a worser outcome for.
You can't only think of yourself in this scenario imo.

Obviously it will never be a thing and goes against everything the NHS stands for but I wonder if those that choose not to have the vaccine would be willing to sign a disclaimer to say they agree to be refused hospital treatment if they develop covid? I'm not saying that should happen but it's an interesting point of discussion.

 

[bazcfc1]

Obviously it will never be a thing and goes against everything the NHS stands for but I wonder if those that choose not to have the vaccine would be willing to sign a disclaimer to say they agree to be refused hospital treatment if they develop covid? I'm not saying that should happen but it's an interesting point of discussion.

Is an interesting point to be made mate

 

[Obi wan bissaka]

I personally think that its everyone's right if they want to take it or not, if people don't want to take it, why should they be "punished" when its there right to have it or not, also I dont buy into this thing where people keep saying you have to think of others, how many people have broke the rules since covid come to the UK but now all of sudden everyone has to feel obliged to take a vaccine that no 1 i might add knows absolutely nothing about, we've had people in government breaking rules all over the shop, there now saying take the vaccine to save lives?? What about when they were breaking the rules? I 100% won't have any vaccine, I personally don't want to take it and I've said before, we live in a world and country where we are fortunate to have God given rights, if you want to take it then good on you that is your right, and I will not judge anyone, its one of them where your not going to agree on this, some people are saying take the vaccine stop being selfish whilst standing outside a shop smoking a cigarette OK mate sound.

 

[Obi wan bissaka]

Obviously it will never be a thing and goes against everything the NHS stands for but I wonder if those that choose not to have the vaccine would be willing to sign a disclaimer to say they agree to be refused hospital treatment if they develop covid? I'm not saying that should happen but it's an interesting point of discussion.

Good point does that go for all the fat people who smoke and drink? Would they also have to sign? 2 biggest killers in the world (overweight and smoking) massive strain on our NHS

 

[steptoe]

I personally think it will become a requirement to enter some countries, prove you have been vaccinated,
In the same way you have to prove your ID, it will become part of your digital passport.
And that is the right of any government, to deny entry to anyone they want.
It makes me laugh when people claim to have a God given right, that's the problem with people, they have a God given right, pure BS, you only have rights because hundreds of thousands of men, women and children died for your rights.
The world owes nobody anything.
But we owe it to each other to do the right thing and try and protect them as much as possible.

 

[Obi wan bissaka]

I personally think it will become a requirement to enter some countries, prove you have been vaccinated,
In the same way you have to prove your ID, it will become part of your digital passport.
And that is the right of any government, to deny entry to anyone they want.
It makes me laugh when people claim to have a God given right, that's the problem with people, they have a God given right, pure BS, you only have rights because hundreds of thousands of men, women and children died for your rights.
The world owes nobody anything.
But we owe it to each other to do the right thing and try and protect them as much as possible.

Whats your point??? They died for us all to have rights thats correct, we all have rights to live how we want, also we have a duty of care for everyone?? Maybe have a little chat to the ones who are obese, smoke drink and take drugs and let me know how you get on, because that's the biggest strain on our nation

 

[pabloescaban]

Good point does that go for all the fat people who smoke and drink? Would they also have to sign? 2 biggest killers in the world (overweight and smoking) massive strain on our NHS

Alcoholism and obesity aren't contagious so you won't kill your granny if you eat pies and smoke B&H all day.
It's everyone's right to get vaccinated or not and rightly so.
As long as the over 50''s get vaccinated I don't think it will matter if millions of fitter younger people don't get it, but they'll be clamouring for it eventually when they won't be able to go anywhere because they're not allowed into other countries

 

[Obi wan bissaka]

Alcoholism and obesity aren't contagious so you won't kill your granny if you eat pies and smoke B&H all day.
It's everyone's right to get vaccinated or not and rightly so.
As long as the over 50''s get vaccinated I don't think it will matter if millions of fitter younger people don't get it, but they'll be clamouring for it eventually when they won't be able to go anywhere because they're not allowed into other countries

Pablo I agree with you, but the point I'm trying to make is that everyone has the right to live how they want, take the vaccine if you feel that's right for you, whoever dont want to take it then don't take it. I mean someone's said about signing a form to say you can't get treated for covid, that's absolutely fine but it shouldn't be for just people who don't want the needle, it should be for all life style choices

 

[pabloescaban]

Pablo I agree with you, but the point I'm trying to make is that everyone has the right to live how they want, take the vaccine if you feel that's right for you, whoever dont want to take it then don't take it. I mean someone's said about signing a form to say you can't get treated for covid, that's absolutely fine but it shouldn't be for just people who don't want the needle, it should be for all life style choices

That's never going to happen. The NHS is for everyone no matter if the illnesses are self inflicted or not.
Refusers will keep on refusing until about 15-20 million have been vaccinated safely and then they'll get vaccinations themselves especially when they realise Skeggy is a sh!thole and they want to go to Benidorm instead

 

[teddybloat]

If uptake is low we will probably see things such as Pigovian taxes, businesses refusing custom, increases in insurance premiums etc.

It will still be people's choice, but they will have to bear some of the costs that their decision imposes on others

 

[Obi wan bissaka]

That's never going to happen. The NHS is for everyone no matter if the illnesses are self inflicted or not.
Refusers will keep on refusing until about 15-20 million have been vaccinated safely and then they'll get vaccinations themselves especially when they realise Skeggy is a sh!thole and they want to go to Benidorm instead

I hope it doesn't happen, as everyone is entitled to live how they want.

 

[pupuqiop]

I think the point that a lot of those who decline/refuse the vaccination miss, is that they'll be in the minority and as such they'll have less of a voice, less of a say, less leverage to express their opinion, and yes, less rights. That's how majority/minority situations work.

 

[pabloescaban]

I hope it doesn't happen, as everyone is entitled to live how they want.

Foreign travel will be a massive incentive for vaccination.
And even if a large number refuse then it's still a victory as millions of flights each year will be grounded resulting in cleaner air for those who can breathe

 

[Obi wan bissaka]

Yeah 100% people will have it if it stops holidays abroad

 

[bazcfc1]

Foreign travel will be a massive incentive for vaccination.
And even if a large number refuse then it's still a victory as millions of flights each year will be grounded resulting in cleaner air for those who can breathe

I prefer Blackpool myself lol

 

[pabloescaban]

I prefer Blackpool myself lol

Do you know what the donkeys on Blackpool beach have for their lunch?

- half an hour like everyone else