Thanks for your last post, I didnt appreciate you could isolate the devices requiring vpn by only plugging their ethernet cables into the Libertyshield router. Therefore your non sensitive hardware i.e. laptops, xbox and so on still have full speed wi fi via your isp router, I didnt think it through it makes sense now, thanks again its been a worthwhile thread. Just one last thought, say you have your Smart Tv connected to the Libertyshield router how quick/easy is it to turn it on/off (thinking of my other half).